Delta crash at Toronto

[Just a civilian pilot]

If the company goes out of their way to promote their DEI program and boast about their all female crews, one has to wonder if they skipped more qualified pilots in order to meet their agenda.

That’s the elephant in the room I guess.

Agreed on that point.

I don’t like that part either.

I fly with very low time pilots occasionally now simply because they aren’t a lot of experienced pilots around to hire and airlines are expanding like crazy.

 

[WobblyElvis]

In the video of the landing taken from the cockpit of the smaller private jet, just before touching down it appears that hard full up elevator movement can be seen. or is it just me?

 

[MolaKule]

In the video of the landing taken from the cockpit of the smaller private jet, just before touching down it appears that hard full up elevator movement can be seen. or is it just me?

I don't know but hopefully enhanced videos will appear.
I would like to be there when the FDR data is downloaded.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

I don't know but hopefully enhanced videos will appear.
I would like to be there when the FDR data is downloaded.

I still can’t tell by the videos if the wing came off from the gear breaking the wing or due to the wing hitting the runway because of the landing gear collapse.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

First time I have seen a fuselage break in half due to a hard landing.

https://www.twz.com/26178/dramatic-video-of-russian-tu-22m3-crash-landing-in-bad-weather-emerges

 

[billt460]

Looked like a carrier landing, just flew it into the runway hard.

I agree with that consensus. That thing hit HARD. I can't help but wonder if it was that pilots last commercial landing?

 

[4WD]

Weather at YYZ can be brutal. We spent 5 hours onboard in a deicing pattern waiting for a storm to pass. The flight time was less than ground time.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

The Captain will be blamed if its pilot error.

Any accidents or ATC violations go on their record and affect their employment more.

Not sure how the FAA treats first officers , record wise, when they were flying and had an accident.

 

[billt460]

When all of this is said and done, this seems to be the result of a very hard landing.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

I just flew to LAX from YVR on Westjet with an all female crew. If you have the qualifications, I do not care if you are a purple dinosaur.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

 

[Astro14]

I do like Juan Brown. He focuses on “what” not “who”.

Focusing on “who” on the basis of rumor is not only inappropriate, but misleading and false.

 

[tbm5690]

ALPA's release pertaining to the crew:

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events/news-room/2025-02-21-further-details-endeavor-flight-4819

 

[wwillson]

Folks, please don't focus on who is at fault, doing so is speculation.

 

[KrisZ]

Folks, please don't focus on who is at fault, doing so is speculation.

This whole thread is nothing but speculation because nothing official has been released yet.
Is speculation against forum rules?

 

[Astro14]

This whole thread is nothing but speculation because nothing official has been released yet.
Is speculation against forum rules?

We were clear: make it about what happened, not the people involved.

Speculation about the airplane, about what happened, is fine.

Rumors, character assassination, and political comments, like your now deleted posts, have never been acceptable here.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Of coarse we speculate about the cause of accidents but that’s what people and even pilots do.

Even another airline, it annoys me when the media publish ( any accident ) the names of pilots before the report comes out.

Same with the justice system, if your innocent until proven guilty, why is your reputation damaged by plastering the persons name all over the place before they have even been proven guilty. Thats not innocent until proven guilty in my books and I am no soft on crime type of person.

 

[MolaKule]

From the various videos and before hitting the runway, there did not seem to be a flare.

Another retired Delta pilot (and former military pilot as well) made the observation that he did not see a landing flare as well.

So while the approach may have been stable, the landing was not.

The design of the fuselage, in terms of longitudinal strength, saved the craft from mutli-section breakup.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

From the various videos and before hitting the runway, there did not seem to be a flare.

Another retired Delta pilot (and former military pilot as well) made the observation that he did not see a landing flare as well.

So while the approach may have been stable, the landing was not.

The design of the fuselage, in terms of longitudinal strength, saved the craft from mutli-section breakup.

No doubt about that part, there was no flare.

I am not sure though whether the approach was stable or unstable though.

I am sticking to my stubborn guns that there is no way any airplane could suffer that much damage just because they didn’t flare and flew a stable approach.

There would be a lot of broken planes that we don’t hear about that had no flare hard landings but the gear didn’t collapse and wings come off.

There is no way that much damage can be caused just because a pilot didn’t flare and everything was stable.

Yes, it’s possible that because it hit on one gear but let’s just say , if that’s what caused it, I have never heard of any Airbus or Boeing ( lots more of them around ) having the gear or wing break because of a stable no flare on one gear only.

I keep thinking of those commercials….”built Ford tough”

Never heard of any other makes having gear collapses or wings coming off from hard landings in Toronto, except two CRJ.

 

[billt460]

No doubt about that part, there was no flare.

I am not sure though whether the approach was stable or unstable though.

I am sticking to my stubborn guns that there is no way any airplane could suffer that much damage just because they didn’t flare and flew a stable approach.

There would be a lot of broken planes that we don’t hear about that had no flare hard landings but the gear didn’t collapse and wings come off.........

I posted this video here a couple of years back, regarding a different subject we were discussing at that time. But it does support your position about aircraft landing very hard, and still having the wings and gear remain, "intact".

I put "intact" in quotation marks because I can't help but think things got bent or broken to the point of not being airworthy any longer...... Especially considering the fact it broke off the entire tail of the aircraft. It also looks as if the nose gear broke at the last few seconds of the video. (Lots of sparks).