Looked like a carrier landing, just flew it into the runway hard.
Delta crash at Toronto
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Your right but notice how high the rate of descent was combined with flaring too late.
That tail wouldn’t have come off had the approach being stable except not flaring.
I watched that Toronto CRJ video many many times but it’s hard for me to notice if was even a stable approach over the threshold.
I just went back and watched the video again. That will be an interesting accident report and I will be curious if they were even stable , descent wise, prior to the normal flare height.
Unstable approach, higher than normal descent rate, no flare , all the weight on one gear with the right wing low.
On that ATC audio video, the tower warns them that they might experince a “ bump “ with respect to the glide slope due to a plane close to the runway.
I bet with reduced visibility, they were flying the ILS glide slope right down to the flare.
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Here’s an explanation why the tail fell off that MD80 when it landed hard ( notice the gear didn’t collapse ….but it hit hard wings level on both gear ).
The descent rate was higher than allowed in a stable approach so when they flared late, it was enough force to break the tail off.
Very rare for tails, wings to break off even when a hard landing occurs due to no flare at all.
https://avgeekery.com/hard-landing-demonstration-md-80-slammed-runway-lost-tail/
The descent rate was higher than allowed in a stable approach so when they flared late, it was enough force to break the tail off.
Very rare for tails, wings to break off even when a hard landing occurs due to no flare at all.
https://avgeekery.com/hard-landing-demonstration-md-80-slammed-runway-lost-tail/
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unknown noob here .. good evening to all ,
doesn't it seem beyond strange that we just had one avian accident after the other after the other after the other !??? in a Very short period of time !!!! Dc .. phily .. SF 'military' .. leer jet .. then Canada !!! literally one AFTER the other within days just bizaaaaare if all of that is coincidental !!!
doesn't it seem beyond strange that we just had one avian accident after the other after the other after the other !??? in a Very short period of time !!!! Dc .. phily .. SF 'military' .. leer jet .. then Canada !!! literally one AFTER the other within days just bizaaaaare if all of that is coincidental !!!
Nope. Weather. Time of year etc besides this was Canada
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During the day, there are 8,000 airplanes in US airspace, every day, 24/7.
It is winter, it is Toronto. It is a particularly strong winter (and it is only mild La Nina).
That being said, the fact that this airplane did THAT, landed on the roof, and no one died is a testament to engineering and expertise.
This 35 second amateur video seems to show the approach and first few seconds of landing up until roll-over from someone in a vehicle at the end of the runway. I didn't see it posted, but I didn't watch the longer youtube videos so I apologize if it was.
If I could figure out how to delete the written comentary and still reference source I would. Sorry.
If I could figure out how to delete the written comentary and still reference source I would. Sorry.
So there's a new video shot from the cockpit of another aircraft that's holding short of the runway, which shows the impact from sort of a 5:00 position, and it's the best view of the crash that I've seen so far.
Here's an Airways Magazine article where they share that the data shows that the CRJ came in at over 1000 FPM descent rate, whereas the normal touchdown of this aircraft is around 500-800 FPM descent rate:
Warning: There is NSFW language from the cameraman, so turn your volume down if you are sensitive to that.
https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/flight-4819-flight-radar-video-harsh-descent
If you click the link in the article, you'll see this latest video.
The author of the article admits that this is only one data point.
My question for the airline pilots: Is it too early to tell if this was an unstabilized approach that was too steep? Could this have been a sudden tail wind?
Link directly to the X video. I haven't been able to find it on YouTube yet.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">
A newly released video shows the exact moment of the impact of Delta Connection flight 4819 at YYZ<br><br>by airmainengineer<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/deltaairlines?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#deltaairlines</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/avgeek?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#avgeek</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/accident?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#accident</a> <a href="https://t.co/2BqnqPyxVn">pic.twitter.com/2BqnqPyxVn</a></p>— Airways Magazine (@airwaysmagazine) <a href="">February 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Here's an Airways Magazine article where they share that the data shows that the CRJ came in at over 1000 FPM descent rate, whereas the normal touchdown of this aircraft is around 500-800 FPM descent rate:
Warning: There is NSFW language from the cameraman, so turn your volume down if you are sensitive to that.
https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/flight-4819-flight-radar-video-harsh-descent
If you click the link in the article, you'll see this latest video.
The author of the article admits that this is only one data point.
My question for the airline pilots: Is it too early to tell if this was an unstabilized approach that was too steep? Could this have been a sudden tail wind?
Link directly to the X video. I haven't been able to find it on YouTube yet.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">
A newly released video shows the exact moment of the impact of Delta Connection flight 4819 at YYZ<br><br>by airmainengineer<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/deltaairlines?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#deltaairlines</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/avgeek?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#avgeek</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/accident?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#accident</a> <a href="https://t.co/2BqnqPyxVn">pic.twitter.com/2BqnqPyxVn</a></p>— Airways Magazine (@airwaysmagazine) <a href="">February 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The pilots would have known if the gear was not down and locked ( cockpit indications ).
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Better video.
Stable approach , no flare, but the landing didn’t seem that hard in that video.
You left in the news out of your statement
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A lot of people are saying that there are no more crashes than usual but just that it’s being reported more in the news now. I think the aviation experts in here would probably agree that there actually has been a much higher amount in the last few months. There was also a recent crash of the plane owned by Motley Crue’s singer Vince Neil and that wasn’t mentioned in the news very much even though one person died.
One of two things has to be true....
1.) There are more than average plane crashes lately
2.) The media is reporting on crashes instead of keeping quiet.
In watching that video, that was hard, right wing down, landing. No flare. The sink rate was increased by the right wing down.
It looks to me like it overstressed the gear and the wing structure, and simply broke off the right wing.
It looks to me like it overstressed the gear and the wing structure, and simply broke off the right wing.
So since you are here......are the amount of crashes "these days" normal or is it your expert opinion that the news is just propping up these crashes?
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