Dealer Repairs - Round 3 - WWYD?

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Originally Posted by tony1679
Originally Posted by Rudy1999 250
Big fan of Honda products here. Why purchase the car if it needed so much attention ?

The biggest problems were a minor oil leak and front pads and rotors. I don't consider that to be very much attention
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Then I would fix the repairs yourself. If this was somehow bargained into the price, then chalk it up as a lesson learned and eat the cost since things like this hardly go as planned as you've experienced.

If DIY isn't an option, give the indy shop your business.
 
Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Rotors are cheap these days; that, plus the upkeep and risk of having a brake lathe make it nearly impossible to find anyone who will turn rotors anymore. They should be replaced.

Alignments can be tricky depending on the age of the car and condition of suspension, plus it's tough to find a perfectly flat road to gauge how good the alignment is, road crown can cause a pull even on a perfect alignment.


With mechanics cost these days, just replace the rotor.

They should give you a readout of the alignment, if they are off it should be on the readout. If the readout is good and you bring it to another place and find it bad, they need to refund you and gives you an explanation.

Learn how to do it yourself, and do it right, instead of relying on a shop that underpaid or has a shortage of qualified people.
 
Originally Posted by Schmoe
Does the dealer rhyme with Pepperidge or Bowler??

Surprisingly no, think Stoops, Barker, and Saget. For a whole mile. That should give it away.
 
Originally Posted by thescreensavers
Originally Posted by JLTD
Return it. Cancel the sale. Mention "breach of contract". Speak with the owner of the dealership.


This, that will get them moving fast to actually fix your car.
I really like this particular car. It's in excellent shape otherwise. But the threat to get the ball rolling is interesting. After the way the phone call went with both the sales and service manager, I may need to play that card with the GM on Saturday.
 
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by tony1679
...to properly perform the repairs that should have been done BEFORE I purchased the car.

How was this communicated ?

On paper? The only way that's legitimate...
 
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by tony1679
On top of fixing what they are supposed to, my initial thought is to ask for -
1. The fuel for the loaner vehicle to be paid for.
2. A tank of gas in the Civic to be paid for.
3. For them to install a new set of pads AND rotors (instead of resurfacing, and new pads again because the first new pads have some wear from the old grooved rotors).
4. Refund (aka make the dealer pay for) my inspection fees from the independent shop (not much, they're cheap).
Petty. New pads are a ridiculous request, there is nothing wrong with them.
And that's why I ask. I want opinions to form my own. I may not bother with pads then.
 
Originally Posted by dlundblad
Originally Posted by tony1679
Originally Posted by Rudy1999 250
Big fan of Honda products here. Why purchase the car if it needed so much attention ?

The biggest problems were a minor oil leak and front pads and rotors. I don't consider that to be very much attention
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Then I would fix the repairs yourself. If this was somehow bargained into the price, then chalk it up as a lesson learned and eat the cost since things like this hardly go as planned as you've experienced.

If DIY isn't an option, give the indy shop your business.
I completely agree with everthing you've said, however the repairs were on their end of the deal, and they need to hold up their end of it. I agree, nothing is perfect, but not turning rotors when replacing pads is pathetic, and missing the mark multiple times is a sorry excuse for 'professional' mechanics at a stealership. DIY is of course an option, but again, they need to keep their word, therefore it's their problem. And yes, the 'indy shop' is where I do 99% of my business.
 
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Learn how to do it yourself, and do it right, instead of relying on a shop that underpaid or has a shortage of qualified people.
I don't have an alignment rack
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. Brakes, yes, I know how, but it's the principle. Along with the leak. They shouldn't have promised if they couldn't deliver.
 
One time, I can understand. Twice, just walk away. You are not a valued customer. At some point, I hope you are able to start paying attention to what is happening.
There are plenty of used Civics available and plenty of worthy dealerships that deserve your business. This is not one of them, I don't care how friendly the service manager may be.
I would get my money back and find one from another source. Never go back to this dealership, and tell them why.
 
Originally Posted by tony1679
Originally Posted by Schmoe
Does the dealer rhyme with Pepperidge or Bowler??

Surprisingly no, think Stoops, Barker, and Saget. For a whole mile. That should give it away.

Gotcha....know exactly where you're thinking about.
 
Originally Posted by tony1679
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Learn how to do it yourself, and do it right, instead of relying on a shop that underpaid or has a shortage of qualified people.
I don't have an alignment rack
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. Brakes, yes, I know how, but it's the principle. Along with the leak. They shouldn't have promised if they couldn't deliver.

Fix the minor things so your wife can drive and enjoy the car.
 
Since you have things in writing from both the dealership and the independent shop. Time for you to tighten the grip on the dealership. If I were you, I would call the owner / overall manager , briefly describe the situation and clearly mention that your next call will be to the State attorney general as well as a lawyer for fraud and breach of contract. If they don't budge, contact the AG and then I would personally hire a lawyer and sue for damages as well. To your hard-earned money as well as your time that they are wasting, what they have done is absolutely wrong.
 
So update -
I showed up today as planned to drop off my car and pick up the loaner. It was supposed to be a 10 minute ordeal. Well, the service manager who arranged all this was magically out of the country, and even though he supposedly already got the sales manager and GM involved, nothing was relayed. So I went to said used sales manager. He wanted to screw around and play games, citing he can't do anything until the service manager returns (basically he played the 'I don't know anything about cars' card). I wasn't having it. He can do almost anything he wants. So I said to get the neighboring store's service manager involved (long story short, I've been dealing with an Acura dealer, and Honda service nextdoor was fixing the car past and present). He came over and offered only to "inspect" everything and had an arrogant, annoyed tone. Basically I was a liar (even with proof on paper from the independent shop), and he didn't appreciate me calling his tech a flunkie (I did, only after being thoroughly provoked and irritated. You're about to read why). When talking about the oil leak, he said "You know it's an as-is deal, right?" I replied "No, it requires you actually fixing it before the as-is part takes effect. That was a pre-sale condition." He then had the nerve to [very sarcastically] say "Well, THAT motor could develop two new leaks tomorrow." Are you freakin' serious right now?!?!? Are you, the SERVICE MANAGER of a HONDA dealership really talking trash about YOUR OWN products
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?!? Really makes me feel great about purchasing another Honda in the future... He stated his shop is only responsible for fixing the exact part that was leaking the first time. Uh, no. The written agreement was for the "oil leak to be fixed" regardless of what, where, or how. No specific parts were written in the deal. So when I said this isn't how this is going to go down, he got cocky and said "well, how is it going down?" I replied "It's going to be fixed properly and I won't be leaving without every last detail on paper." He just snapped well, have a good day." So I just walked out of the office and went straight for the GM.

I tried to explain the situation calmly (somewhat), and even he wanted to play games. He looked at the paperwork and said "So you had them do this work?" I replied "No, they only looked and checked. Nothing more. I didn't want this situation to get more complicated with two entities doing the same work." "Well, you know when you go to these places they try to upsell everything." Really?!? I said "No, I made it very clear to them they would not be performing any repairs. This is a paid inspection to verify a dealer is being honest. No chance of any upsells, but I will be getting tires here once the dust settles." He then said "Well, they didn't flag the rotors as not being resurfaced." I said "Yeah, you're right. They didn't feel the need to state the obvious. Besides, since when do you value their input? They want to upsell, remember? But if you feel the need, their phone number is on there. Call them and they'll confirm the same thing I'm saying." He was quiet for a minute. Well, I want to help you, but I'm not meeting your 'demands' in any way" (my demands were absurdly simple. In addition to doing the work that should have already been performed twice, fill my half full 13 gallon tank, give me a loaner while you're working on it, pay for the loaner fuel for the two days I'll have it, and put new rotors on. That's all). He offered to just do the work, citing he didn't have a loaner to give. Well, after some debate, and after getting truly irate, he finally agreed to do everything except installing new rotors. He magically made a loaner appear too. No, it wasnt a new car, it had over 5k miles on it...

I truly didn't want to budge, but if the only thing they don't agree to is new rotors, it's not worth further headache to pursue it. I just truly can't believe how incredibly difficult it was to get them to fix their screw-up. I did get everything they are doing in writing (although some of it was hand-written by the GM on the back of his business card... whatever, at least he signed it). This is the third attempt to fix the problems. If they screw up even the smallest thing this time, I won't even mention anything, I'll just be going straight to a lawyer. Not sure if I should look for criminal defense based on my treatment, or some other specialty. Ha.... ha..... wow, I can't even laugh at the situation. Regardless, NEVER again will I do business with this family of dealerships. Ever.
 
You went way beyond what I would have done. The minute they started jerking you around, that's when I would have walked out I'm contacted a lawyer. End of story. Let the lawyer sort this issue out instead of getting your own blood pressure up.
 
Tony, sorry if I missed this somewhere, but these items you want fixed.. Did you get it in writing that part of the deal was the dealership was to have these items fixed prior to you taking delivery? Word of mouth means nothing, especially if what needs fixed isn't really broke, isn't a safety issue, etc.

I'm not on the dealer's side at all and I feel for you. I know the shady crap they can do, but a used vehicle is a used vehicle. I just can't see paying a lawyer over brakes and an alignment.

I guess it's a good thing a lot of big dealers now will you allow you to return or exchange your used vehicle in a week or 4. I have a family member who did this a few years back with a used Toyota Avalon.
 
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Originally Posted by FirstNissan
You went way beyond what I would have done. The minute they started jerking you around, that's when I would have walked out I'm contacted a lawyer. End of story. Let the lawyer sort this issue out instead of getting your own blood pressure up.


+1, esp since the OP is a mechanic. Which is what it says on his profile. Maybe an April Fools joke a day late.
 
Originally Posted by JTK
Tony, sorry if I missed this somewhere, but these items you want fixed.. Did you get it in writing that part of the deal was the dealership was to have these items fixed prior to you taking delivery? Word of mouth means nothing, especially if what needs fixed isn't really broke, isn't a safety issue, etc.

I'm not on the dealer's side at all and I feel for you. I know the shady crap they can do, but a used vehicle is a used vehicle. I just can't see paying a lawyer over brakes and an alignment.

I guess it's a good thing a lot of big dealers now will you allow you to return or exchange your used vehicle in a week or 4. I have a family member who did this a few years back with a used Toyota Avalon.
Originally Posted by SatinSilver
+1, esp since the OP is a mechanic. Which is what it says on his profile. Maybe an April Fools joke a day late.
Absolutely yes it's in writing. I'm not a sucker. Verbal agreements ALWAYS get broken.

Again, absolutely I would have fixed it myself, and tried to work that into the deal, but they refused to let the car 'leave their custody' leaking oil and needing brakes, citing safety concerns. They refused to let it drive out as-is. So it was worked into the deal. So since they wouldn't let me save a few bucks, I forced them to put it in writing. They are the ones that made a big deal over fixing it, and ironically neglected to do so. So now I'm returning the favor and making a big deal over fixing it, citing safety concerns.

This all falls back on them. They should have let me save some money and fix it myself. Or they should have fixed what they promised in writing twice now.

As for the mechanic, I completely forgot I had that typed there. I used to do it for a living, but was never ASE certified. That was several years ago. Now I just fix cars for family and very rarely I'm a shade tree mechanic for some basics. But I'm capable of more than what I do. Just lost the passion for it with newer cars. My loaner literally needs a software update
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