E-CVT = NO TORQUE CONVERTER (these are on Toyota hybrids and a few others)I don't think there is a torque converter on most cvt transmissions.
That is not the correct additive for Honda's ECVT. In fact, that transmission is not a transmission at all in the way we think of them and it is not at all like the Prius transmission. It is a series of motors and a clutch.
I assume they installed it without your consent, right?I'm having it flushed and will see if I can get refunded.
You might not get the answers you're looking for by calling the service department. If I'm not mistaken, BG products aren't sold to the public so if the parts person thinks quick enough, they're going to tell you "no, we don't have that" (maybe a little white lie).I'll call the parts department first to see if they have either in stock
Nope, the 2020 Hybrid manual calls out DW-1.I assume they installed it without your consent, right?
You transmission calls for Honda HCF-2.
If you don't want to pay the high price of OEM fluid, then I recommend you use Castrol ATF/CVT Universal fluid.
Here is the PDS for it: https://nudl.es/IHxgt
Another good option is Valvoline. Here is the PDS for Valvoline CVT Fluid: https://nudl.es/KhCTS
AMSOIL has one: https://nudl.es/ItqXR
Red Line Oil has one: https://nudl.es/PmUtU
The choice is yours, depending on how much you want to spend. If it was mine, I'd go with either Valvoline or AMSOIL on this one.
You can show your dealer the following page from your Owner's Manual:
View attachment 162163
Your transmission had other issues.....what type of vehicle, how many miles?I had bad luck with that product. They added it to my tranny and a month later began to have problems. I vote for getting that stuff out of there.
It is Maintenance Minder code # 3.Does the fluid even have a service interval?
That is correct, unfortunately.I assume they installed it without your consent, right?
Nope, the 2020 Hybrid manual calls out DW-1. View attachment 162169
You have a ton of fluids to choose from for DW-1. I used Mobil 1 LV ATF HP in a 6-speed Hyundai transmission in our 2017 Santa Fe and in a ZF 8HP70 in our 2016 RAM 1500. I did a complete ATF replacement in each. I used AMSOIL and Red Line D6 in these transmissions, and wasn't happy with the firm shift quality. Of course, you got a ton of options.I am contemplating doing the service on the hybrid DIY at home, no tutorials online or YT, maybe I'll make one.
That is really odd. It is a CVT but Honda says to use DW-1 while Honda has their own CVT fluid for their "other" CVT units.I logged into Honda's maintenance portal, where it allows you to look up the manual for your vehicle and it did confirm DW-1 as @JustN89 stated.
Only transmission fluid temperature I've checked was in my wife's Fusion with the popular 6F35 transmission and it never went above 195º F.I asked about the flash point (288*F) being 50* off the OE fluid FP of 338*F and my concern about a hot transmission boiling the additive causing off gassing and deterioration of the product which could gum up / sludge the trans. He didn't have a technical answer for this other than "I can reassure you that won't happen".
This is a different dealer than the one that did the work ? No offense to the parts people - and I'm not defending BG stuff - they just gave you their opinion. They aren't likely to be mechanics or have hands-on experience or knowledge about this.My local Honda parts dept said they wouldn't use this additive in the hybrid FWIW.
100% agree. I have been able to get in touch with engineers at many different additive companies including Liqui Moly in Germany and they have all been helpful. Not BG.This is a different dealer than the one that did the work ? No offense to the parts people - and I'm not defending BG stuff - they just gave you their opinion. They aren't likely to be mechanics or have hands-on experience or knowledge about this.
DW-1 is not CVT fluid so it makes sense it would use regular ATF fluid/additives for the trans.Update:
Called BG 800 #, receptionist gave me a number to a local distributor. Could not connect me to an engineer as they are not on site. Asked if local distributors are engineers, she said no.
Called the distributor which forwarded me to a "tech guy". He said that the ATC additive would be indeed the correct one to use in the iMMD "eCVT" electromagnetic clutch transmission in the 2020 hybrid using the DW-1 fluid. The additive is am acid buildup reducer and acts as a base. This is to increase longevity of the product.
He said DW-1 is an Ultra Low Viscosity (ULV) fluid and the additive is compatible with DW-1. He said that BG tests their fluids for all OE application and confirmed the 2020 hybrid CRV is in their application chart for the ATC additive which he looked up while we were on the phone. We reviewed the mechanics of these transmissions and he stated that Ford has been using this type of trans since 2014 and he services all of the Honda dealers in the area for years with no issues.
I asked about the flash point (288*F) being 50* off the OE fluid FP of 338*F and my concern about a hot transmission boiling the additive causing off gassing and deterioration of the product which could gum up / sludge the trans. He didn't have a technical answer for this other than "I can reassure you that won't happen". From my basic googling and minimal knowledge of transmissions, it appears a trans won't reach 288*, maybe someone can correct me?
So basically, I'm still not sure, this guy could be blowing smoke but I feel that changing the fluid my self would be wise here for extra security. Maybe the additive isn't so bad and didn't cause harm immediately but I just don't want it in there long term. My local Honda parts dept said they wouldn't use this additive in the hybrid FWIW.
Only 2.5 quarts, a crush washer, and an extra long funnel.
If you actually want it "out" or mostly out you would need to at least a 3x drain and fill with a bit of mileage between each one. On the Sequoia it was better after first flush (14 qts), almost normal after 2nd flush (14 qts) and all good after the 3 flush, so 42qts total. They used the BG flush machine that hooked up to transmission cooler return line.Update:
Called BG 800 #, receptionist gave me a number to a local distributor. Could not connect me to an engineer as they are not on site. Asked if local distributors are engineers, she said no.
Called the distributor which forwarded me to a "tech guy". He said that the ATC additive would be indeed the correct one to use in the iMMD "eCVT" electromagnetic clutch transmission in the 2020 hybrid using the DW-1 fluid. The additive is am acid buildup reducer and acts as a base. This is to increase longevity of the product.
He said DW-1 is an Ultra Low Viscosity (ULV) fluid and the additive is compatible with DW-1. He said that BG tests their fluids for all OE application and confirmed the 2020 hybrid CRV is in their application chart for the ATC additive which he looked up while we were on the phone. We reviewed the mechanics of these transmissions and he stated that Ford has been using this type of trans since 2014 and he services all of the Honda dealers in the area for years with no issues.
I asked about the flash point (288*F) being 50* off the OE fluid FP of 338*F and my concern about a hot transmission boiling the additive causing off gassing and deterioration of the product which could gum up / sludge the trans. He didn't have a technical answer for this other than "I can reassure you that won't happen". From my basic googling and minimal knowledge of transmissions, it appears a trans won't reach 288*, maybe someone can correct me?
So basically, I'm still not sure, this guy could be blowing smoke but I feel that changing the fluid my self would be wise here for extra security. Maybe the additive isn't so bad and didn't cause harm immediately but I just don't want it in there long term. My local Honda parts dept said they wouldn't use this additive in the hybrid FWIW.
Only 2.5 quarts, a crush washer, and an extra long funnel.
Technically, all of that is correct. But I probably wouldn't have used it.Update:
Called BG 800 #, receptionist gave me a number to a local distributor. Could not connect me to an engineer as they are not on site. Asked if local distributors are engineers, she said no.
Called the distributor which forwarded me to a "tech guy". He said that the ATC additive would be indeed the correct one to use in the iMMD "eCVT" electromagnetic clutch transmission in the 2020 hybrid using the DW-1 fluid. The additive is am acid buildup reducer and acts as a base. This is to increase longevity of the product.
He said DW-1 is an Ultra Low Viscosity (ULV) fluid and the additive is compatible with DW-1. He said that BG tests their fluids for all OE application and confirmed the 2020 hybrid CRV is in their application chart for the ATC additive which he looked up while we were on the phone. We reviewed the mechanics of these transmissions and he stated that Ford has been using this type of trans since 2014 and he services all of the Honda dealers in the area for years with no issues.
I asked about the flash point (288*F) being 50* off the OE fluid FP of 338*F and my concern about a hot transmission boiling the additive causing off gassing and deterioration of the product which could gum up / sludge the trans. He didn't have a technical answer for this other than "I can reassure you that won't happen". From my basic googling and minimal knowledge of transmissions, it appears a trans won't reach 288*, maybe someone can correct me?
So basically, I'm still not sure, this guy could be blowing smoke but I feel that changing the fluid my self would be wise here for extra security. Maybe the additive isn't so bad and didn't cause harm immediately but I just don't want it in there long term. My local Honda parts dept said they wouldn't use this additive in the hybrid FWIW.
Only 2.5 quarts, a crush washer, and an extra long funnel.