This story is another fine example of why EV's need to use standardized, non proprietary, user replaceable batteries, just like regular ICE vehicles.
Daily supercharging kills Model 3 battery in 120,000 miles
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The real reason is that people who don’t drive them are more worried about it than people that own them and 90% of all people don’t drive more than 40 miles a day the majority of their life so they haven’t even tested it. I have only driven more than the range of the car in one day 3 times and I didn’t let it get below 25% so any answer I could give still wouldn’t be an accurate statement because I didn’t use up the battery. “Pro EV’ers” as you call them likely don’t know. If you drive a lot of miles like I do, we’re outliers. I don’t drive it often though in that situation not because I don’t trust EVs but because my wife short trips the crap out of cars and an EV doesn’t seem to gather the same wear and tear as a cold engine that’s never allowed to get to temp.
We likely agree closely on this though I’d still trust the EV. It’s still not my first choice for how I drive. It’s no surprise that all vehicles lose range in the cold and EVs should be more affected by it. Driving style can affect it just like MPG. I just truly believe the amount of EV drivers that have had this be an issue is likely less than 5% for the reasons stated above. Rent one and do instrumented testing. That would give you a solid answer.
That would be nice but if you think all vehicles look alike now they really would then for the size of the battery needed. I don’t know of one that doesn’t take up a whole floor or whatever dedicated space some others have.
We all buy luxuries in life. It's whatever is important to the person. There are many Android phones more expensive than iPhones BTW.
That is why when statements like this are made you should let us know what you consider to be expensive for a cell phone. Im in no way critiquing you but to many people $600 starting price for a top shelf, top rated, water proof cell phone that will last and be supported for half a decade or more isnt unreasonable.
Also even though I am not a fan of the Tesla 3, that can be bought for roughly $30,000 thanks to the USA taxpayer if you qualify.
If they can come up with as many standard sizes for lead acid and AGM batteries as they have, I would think that they could do the same for Lithium batteries for cars (although I would expect the number of standard battery sizes for any new system to be low at first).
I would think that manufacturers would benefit as well.
I’m sure it’ll eventually have to go there and then early cars will be looked at as more annoying because they have proprietary equipment. Better tech to bring prices down and make batteries smaller would do a lot for the market.
If they can come up with standardized exchangeable battery packs, like branded power tools use, they have a shot.
Changing out a empty battery pack for a full one, would take less time than it does to fill a tank with gas.
But that would take a huge network and infrastructure to accomplish. Not to mention an unbelievable large cash layout. And all the EV manufacturers would have to be onboard. As of now no one is even discussing such a massive undertaking.
Changing out a empty battery pack for a full one, would take less time than it does to fill a tank with gas.
But that would take a huge network and infrastructure to accomplish. Not to mention an unbelievable large cash layout. And all the EV manufacturers would have to be onboard. As of now no one is even discussing such a massive undertaking.
Maybe the math needs to be done. 500,000 electric cars X $7500 must be less than nothing to our government then.
I would guess in order to do that it would have to be a pay for service where you're renting or leasing the battery service and constantly swapping batteries. That would be one way around the expensive battery replacement if it's just part of the service. I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Only if you want to try and compare EV market profits to the oil industry. As I said, like comparing apples to bowling balls.
If you can show me the science that rapid charging batteries doesn't shorten their life I'd love to see it.
+1 Maybe one day, until then expect to pay through the teeth for a replacement battery. My bet for now is that isn't going to happen anytime soon either.
I never said supercharging does not affect battery life. I showed a study with results saying battery degradation may not be as damaging as originally thought.
I charge to 80% and rarely need Superchargers.
How would that work? The layout of the battery pack is very much integral to the individual design of the vehicle. Might as well standardize engines, radiators, etc.
Once the manufacturers knew what the standard sizes are, they would pick one and design around that. People with existing EV's most likely wouldn't be able to use one, so it sucks to be them unless they can fit in a smaller standard one into their existing space.
OK, and the science tells me that rapid charging shortens the life of a battery. Not a good thing if you travel a lot and want to charge fast and go. We can go in circles with this all day long. You made your point, I made mine. The EV has a lot of evolving to do before it fairly wins over the masses. I'd love to elaborate, but that would get me into topics best not discussed here.
It would be tough to give up being able to hose someone for Mega-bucks for a battery if they were standardized and could sell for a quarter of the price. So don't expect that to come anytime soon.
I don't. In fact, I expect companies to either be forced to do it, or to maybe get together themselves so that they can outsource the whole making a battery part to drive down pricing.
Speed has little to do with it. Heat does. Speed usually does mean heat though.OK, and the science tells me that rapid charging shortens the life of a battery. Not a good thing if you travel a lot and want to charge fast and go. We can go in circles with this all day long. You made your point, I made mine. The EV has a lot of evolving to do before it fairly wins over the masses. I'd love to elaborate, but that would get me into topics best not discussed here.
Yes, at this point in time it appears you can't have one without the other.
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