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Cybertruck 70-MPH Range Test
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I don’t think the 4680 have tabs. And an extra tab at some specific place in the jelly roll won’t make that big of a deal when not at high rates. I can say from data I’ve taken, the 4680 is not a rate capable cell…
Just another no thanks for me. Save the planet, not happening with that that's for sure.
Tabless cell
with what looks to be a thousand folded over tabs. I really did not mean to misspeak, but I don't know what to call the "tabless" tabs. What I was trying to say is that the outer few wraps (layers) seem not to have these "tab-like" connectors.
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did out of spec, publish a towing range coupled with supercharge times?
They said there’s a full charging curve video coming soon. Kyle Connor’s comments on a few podcasts seem to match the photos posted online in December. It charges well (250kw) through about 25% then drops-off massively. Charging is fair-poor overall, similar to the slow charging of 4680 equipped Model Ys.
Not sure about towing, but they did bring a trailer down to Austin. They might have mentioned they ran out of time to do a full towing test.
Pretty good outline here.
insideevs.com
It's worth noting that during the first 15 minutes of the session, the battery SOC increased from 14% to 49%, which means 35 percentage points or about 112 miles out of 320 miles total. That's not far from Tesla's claim of 128 miles in 15 minutes, especially because the highest charging rate is probably from about 0% to 20% SOC.
Will be interesting to see what the 1K KWH chargers may bring to it.
The Tesla Cybertruck's Charging Speeds Are Getting Slammed. Here's What We Know
There is room for improvement, but also to see its full potential it needs to visit a high-voltage charger.
insideevs.com
It's worth noting that during the first 15 minutes of the session, the battery SOC increased from 14% to 49%, which means 35 percentage points or about 112 miles out of 320 miles total. That's not far from Tesla's claim of 128 miles in 15 minutes, especially because the highest charging rate is probably from about 0% to 20% SOC.
Will be interesting to see what the 1K KWH chargers may bring to it.
Interesting summary from this test
The Ford F-150 Lightning Extended Range, according to specs, can accept about 150 kilowatts and recharge from 15 to 80% SOC in 41 minutes, adding up to 54 miles of range in 10 minutes. The Rivian R1T (the original Quad Motor version) was rated at up to 210 kW and is capable of replenishing up to 140 miles of range in 20 minutes. And the Lordstown Endurance (we know, it's DOA), was promised to get 150 kW and recharge from 20 to 80% SOC in 45 minutes. Finally, the newest all-electric pickup, the Chevrolet Silverado EV, is expected to add about 100 miles of range in 10 minutes, so it should be the best of all models on the market in this metric.
Tesla Cybertruck Vs. Other Pickups
But let's take a look at the fast charging capabilities of other all-electric pickups.The Ford F-150 Lightning Extended Range, according to specs, can accept about 150 kilowatts and recharge from 15 to 80% SOC in 41 minutes, adding up to 54 miles of range in 10 minutes. The Rivian R1T (the original Quad Motor version) was rated at up to 210 kW and is capable of replenishing up to 140 miles of range in 20 minutes. And the Lordstown Endurance (we know, it's DOA), was promised to get 150 kW and recharge from 20 to 80% SOC in 45 minutes. Finally, the newest all-electric pickup, the Chevrolet Silverado EV, is expected to add about 100 miles of range in 10 minutes, so it should be the best of all models on the market in this metric.
I like Kyle, with the exception he doesn't use a character generator and show the results of his tests on screen.
He talks them out all over the place and he's difficult to follow without a summary of the results to read.
Bjorn keeps a spreadsheet online anyone can go look at.
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The list of worst EVs available currently can be summed up by every one that is a truck. Easily the worst platform for an EV. Sucks heavily laden. Range and consumption is atrocious compared to a lighter, more aerodynamic EV unladen and treated as standard transportation.
A truck is hilariously sad as a single person driven unladen piece of regular transportation. An EV version doubles down on the stupidity and should require a red nose and a clown wig to drive.
A truck is hilariously sad as a single person driven unladen piece of regular transportation. An EV version doubles down on the stupidity and should require a red nose and a clown wig to drive.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm guessing no. I don't remember seeing Out of Spec doing any towing reviews. TFL Truck will definitely put it through its paces with their towing tests and their regular car channel tests a lot of EVs.
Peak dork. These guys don't get out much.
Also, "nearly zero elevation" in the Austin area really depends on which way you go. I have ridden my bicycle from SW Austin to Fredericksburg and back on country roads and the Garmin indicated 12,500 feet of elevation gain for the (long) day. About 186 miles, IIRC. and 16ish hours including stops.
Regarding the test, can't say I'm really surprised. None of the EVs in the marketplace meet their EPA ratings at the kinds of speeds we drive on the highway in Texas. I'm guessing you'd have to drive 60 or less to meet the EPA range, which would definitely not be safe on the 130 tollway.
If I bought one of those things, the first thing I'd do is get the lowest rolling resistance highway tires available. I'd bet that would be worth an extra 20 miles at least. Nobody is going to take these things offroad, at least, in the initial tranche of buyers at big, big money. And if you can afford one of these things it doesn't seem like such a reach to have two sets of tires for it anyway.
The biggest problem is that Tesla decided to forge full speed ahead with dry coating on the cybertruck. Unfortunately engineers have told musk that technology doesn't scale up well and from their numbers Tesla will be lucky to build
24,000 per year not the 200k that Musk promised back in November. Second TFL just posted a video with the Owner Roman Micah and another editor who both have Cybertruck reservations. According to the editor he had a friend at Tesla look up his reservation number to see where he was in line 49,999. He was told it will be a while before he gets one. This past week he was emailed by Tesla saying that he can go ahead and finalize or complete his order. This got both wondering if orders are being cancelled faster than Tesla claims and two, if that's the case then apparently people don't want to pay the crazy markup for the "founders edition".
Out of Spec is peak dork? Possibly, but he makes a lot of money doing this stuff. I will say I do like his videos. It satisfies my inner nerd when it comes to long range EVs.
As far as using a EV truck as an EV, I have absolutely no interest. I understand why anyone would be curious of this, I just think they're barking up the wrong tree. I think most of those asking those questions want to see the EV truck fail. You will not be disappointed, it will disappoint towing every single time. These people already think the range is too short unladen and for truck owners I tend to agree. The 36 gallon tank in my 5.0 F150 was supposedly capable of 700 miles. I never pushed it that far, but I legitimately made it 600 miles twice on a road trip before the gas light came on. I wasn't the only one in the truck and I had a bed full of luggage.
Battery density is not yet there for serious towing work, even the most strident EV fan would admit that. You'd have to buy a Tesla Semi to tow a 5th wheel a useful distance, and then, how do you charge it? No public use Mega chargers out there.
It's the same all the other EV trucks in the end, if they can sell any of them at a price approaching the original $40K of the Cybertruck, they'll sell quite a few, but at $70-$100K, they won't sell too many.
The types of folks buying CTs don’t care about the environment lol. They’re all hypebeast influencers that worship Elon and his weird anarcho-capitalist/chud libertarian mindset.
With 200 KWH the Silverado is getting there and would be enough for a lot of guys. Too bad it weighs 8500LB.
Well if you could buy one for under 50K it might be an option. The weight of the vehicle highlights the battery density issue for large batteries. We really need a breakthrough in battery density like the solid state batteries that Toyota has been talking about. Unfortunately to this point there is no steak to go with the sizzle.
At 8500 lbs is this thing classified as an HD vehicle?
Im pretty sure it's considered an HD vehicle.
They talked about towing tests here. All these trucks are owned by employees. The employee owners who said they could tow with these all flaked-out last-minute and forbid them from towing. They even had employees who said they could use their trucks for reviews but wouldn’t allow them to say anything bad about the trucks
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