It is difficult to say for certain, but that seems at least possible. My Napa Gold 7203 looked to me to have compromised the filter material at a couple of points. However, the UOA I just got back does not reflect any serious problem and insolubles are low. Depending upon the results with the current PureOne, I may simply go with OEM Mazda filters now that I have located a supplier with reasonable pricing.
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Can ya post this info/pricing?
I wonder if the OEM Ford and OEM Mazda filter are the same? I'm going to check out a OEM Ford replacement filter at my local dlr (parts dep't) and see what that looks like.
Can ya post this info/pricing?
I wonder if the OEM Ford and OEM Mazda filter are the same? I'm going to check out a OEM Ford replacement filter at my local dlr (parts dep't) and see what that looks like.
I received the following letter back from Purolator.
I sent them my filter for there evaluation.
"Physical inspection of the returned filter found the paper pleats distorted around it's center. The height, inside and outside diameters were checked per the print and found to be within specifications.
The filter was evaluated and tested in our laboratory. Even though the media was distorted slightly, the filter would still filter properly and perform as designed."
I sent them my filter for there evaluation.
"Physical inspection of the returned filter found the paper pleats distorted around it's center. The height, inside and outside diameters were checked per the print and found to be within specifications.
The filter was evaluated and tested in our laboratory. Even though the media was distorted slightly, the filter would still filter properly and perform as designed."
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Slightly
At least it still functioned
The biggest difference I can see in these filters (P1, PP, and Wix) is the inside diameter of the filters. According to their mfg specs, the PP and Wix have 1.18 and 1.17 inch inside dia. respectively, while the P1 has 1.06 inch inside dia. Almost 1/8 inch smaller. could this be causing the filter to grip the center tube and twist the filter? The P1 is the shorter of the three by 3/16" or less, so unless there was a mfg error, or the wrong filter, the issue of the filter being too tall would be moot.
Why is everyone avoiding OEM filters?
Don't know about on our 3's, but when I was driving Miatas, consensus was that the OEM filter was the way to go.
The service manager at my deaalership of choice also mentioned the fact that it's in the manufacturer's best interest to make sure the OEM oil filter works well, as poorly functioning oil filters can lead to engine problems and engine problems lead to warranty repairs, which the manufacturer has to pay for.
Don't know about on our 3's, but when I was driving Miatas, consensus was that the OEM filter was the way to go.
The service manager at my deaalership of choice also mentioned the fact that it's in the manufacturer's best interest to make sure the OEM oil filter works well, as poorly functioning oil filters can lead to engine problems and engine problems lead to warranty repairs, which the manufacturer has to pay for.
Consensus also elects our politicians and makes the laws we live by.
F(*& the OEM filters. Consensus is meaningless without data to back it up.
The dealer is 15 miles away and open 9-5 Mon-Fri. The autoparts store is down the street. So, I'll stick with the $6 cheapo purolator filters that I can purchased ANY day of the week within 5 minutes of stepping out the front door. With sales, rebates, and bulk purchases, some of my filters cost nothing. I also don't care to stock up on filters or go out of my way to plan maintenance.
With the 6i came out, it took a good year or so for aftermarket filters and online stores to carry the filter. The couple of Mazda dealers around here were charging upwards of $12+ for the filter and 2 o-rings. And, the o-rings weren't inclusive at first. They charged you for the cartridge, and each o-ring separately. Rockauto has the Wix for
Its in the consumers best interest to have a well performing filter at a reasonable price. We call that competition. Purolator still claims that the filter worked perfectly even though it looked like it was squashed.
I just don't understand how the dealers(and filter manufacturers) can charge more for less. The cartridge doesn't have any steel to it. There is no bypass. There is no ADBV. I don't care to pay a dealer premium for less.
The pureone was actually cheaper then the OEM from the dealer. I just don't care how it looked like when it was removed. There is no argument to the Pureone Micronic filtration. The particle counts here prove it to be a top notch filter. I just think that their assembly line tolerance needs looking into.
BTW, I've seen various OEM filters fail over the year. So, IMO, its in the "manufacturer's best interest" to get the lowest price possible to assist the bottom line--profit. Don't automatically assume that consensus is correct. I have installed enough aftermarket mechanical and maintenance parts on my vehicle that performed better then what was equipped from the factory. Also, don't assume that I hate OEM. There is a range of select OEM parts that I would not touch from some aftermarket suppliers.
F(*& the OEM filters. Consensus is meaningless without data to back it up.
The dealer is 15 miles away and open 9-5 Mon-Fri. The autoparts store is down the street. So, I'll stick with the $6 cheapo purolator filters that I can purchased ANY day of the week within 5 minutes of stepping out the front door. With sales, rebates, and bulk purchases, some of my filters cost nothing. I also don't care to stock up on filters or go out of my way to plan maintenance.
With the 6i came out, it took a good year or so for aftermarket filters and online stores to carry the filter. The couple of Mazda dealers around here were charging upwards of $12+ for the filter and 2 o-rings. And, the o-rings weren't inclusive at first. They charged you for the cartridge, and each o-ring separately. Rockauto has the Wix for
Its in the consumers best interest to have a well performing filter at a reasonable price. We call that competition. Purolator still claims that the filter worked perfectly even though it looked like it was squashed.
I just don't understand how the dealers(and filter manufacturers) can charge more for less. The cartridge doesn't have any steel to it. There is no bypass. There is no ADBV. I don't care to pay a dealer premium for less.
The pureone was actually cheaper then the OEM from the dealer. I just don't care how it looked like when it was removed. There is no argument to the Pureone Micronic filtration. The particle counts here prove it to be a top notch filter. I just think that their assembly line tolerance needs looking into.
BTW, I've seen various OEM filters fail over the year. So, IMO, its in the "manufacturer's best interest" to get the lowest price possible to assist the bottom line--profit. Don't automatically assume that consensus is correct. I have installed enough aftermarket mechanical and maintenance parts on my vehicle that performed better then what was equipped from the factory. Also, don't assume that I hate OEM. There is a range of select OEM parts that I would not touch from some aftermarket suppliers.
The dealer price for an OEM filter for my CX7 was $7.2x with tax. My local Advanced Auto Parts was selling the PureOne for $8.49. The OEM filter came out in perfect condition. I did notice a felt ring on both ends of the filter. I made sure I oiled both ends before the install. I think I will stick with OEM until the filter issue become more clear. I will then try to buy 6 or so to get a discount on WIX or ??. Ed
I did not know that Pete C. The numbers on the facory and the replacement oil filter were the same so I assume they were the same. The recomended first oil change is listed in the manual as the same as the second, third etc, depending on severe or normal service. Ed
OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer and is rarely differentiated in the trade between the part the car came from the factory with and the replacement being sold as an authorized part at the dealer parts counter.
Some people also extend the term OEM to include parts sold by the same company which made and sold them to the car company.
Some people also extend the term OEM to include parts sold by the same company which made and sold them to the car company.
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Maybe Pete will answer a question.
Does Wix produce any assembly line filters? or ..have they in the past? I would suspect so (I don't know). I'm aware that Champion has made many Ford assembly line filters in the past ..but we know that MotorCraft is their post assembly line parts supplier (Purolator at the present time) for oil filters.
This will kinda show the difference. I don't think any over the counter (dealer) OEA (new term for me too)/aftermarket offering is a WIX.
undummy: The price is due to distribution (paying more for less). Not too many cartridge filters out there compared to spin-ons. Few producers and/or limited demand for them. Give it a few years when they attach some disposal fee for spin-ons ..and it will all look in natural balanced harmony
Does Wix produce any assembly line filters? or ..have they in the past? I would suspect so (I don't know). I'm aware that Champion has made many Ford assembly line filters in the past ..but we know that MotorCraft is their post assembly line parts supplier (Purolator at the present time) for oil filters.
This will kinda show the difference. I don't think any over the counter (dealer) OEA (new term for me too)/aftermarket offering is a WIX.
undummy: The price is due to distribution (paying more for less). Not too many cartridge filters out there compared to spin-ons. Few producers and/or limited demand for them. Give it a few years when they attach some disposal fee for spin-ons ..and it will all look in natural balanced harmony
cyl#1 flo-thru compression
metalschlager oil
extreme twister oil filter
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics ok, i was just wondering if anyone could help me out here. i think that the mazda dealership is trying to screw me out of fixing actually replacing my engine even though it is still covered under warranty, not to mention i even had purchased the extended warranty which doesnt really matter at this point because im still under the basic warranty being that i purchased my car exactly 2 years ago (labor day 2005) and i only have 36,234 miles on it. anyway, here's what happened. i was driving my car on the freeway last weekend and all of a sudden i hear this loud pop from under the car and then the engine started to like sputter. then the check engine light and the oil light started to flash on and off as i was trying to get to the right shoulder so i turned the engine off and proceeded to coast to the shoulder. at that point i knew it wasn't good. the hood started to smoke so i had to call triple a to come get me and my car. the next day i had the car taken to where i bought the car in tustin. first off let me say that i take extremely good care of my car. i get my oil changes every 3000-4000 miles (my brother in law is the manager at a quickie lube and has always taken care of me) so i thought this for sure was something that i had nothing to worry about, it had to be covered by warranty. well anyway, i got to the dealership shortly after my car arrived there and immediately, the service guy said "oh well you know those quickie lube places...they probably did something wrong when you took it to them, they are known to use the wrong parts" so without even looking at the car yet he assumed and was trying to blame someone else. well, i got a rental car which mazda said they will cover if they are at fault. but i just got news back yesterday from them saying that they say that my engine (cylinder #1) has a hole in it and it is all due to the oil filter because it is not the oem part and it was twisted from being the incorrect size therefore it was not doing its job filtering which caused the engine to blow??? i dont know much about cars but my dad does and he's not convinced. everytime ive had my oil changed they have used the same kind of filter, so wouldnt this have happened sooner? the oil filter being twisted isn't enough to cause such a catastrophic failure as this is it? any help or input on what i should do or how i should approach this would be much appreciated. also here is the link to the pics that the dealership took.
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics to me it looks like mazda doesnt wanna pay up for something that should be under warranty. thanks
T
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
metalschlager oil
extreme twister oil filter
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics ok, i was just wondering if anyone could help me out here. i think that the mazda dealership is trying to screw me out of fixing actually replacing my engine even though it is still covered under warranty, not to mention i even had purchased the extended warranty which doesnt really matter at this point because im still under the basic warranty being that i purchased my car exactly 2 years ago (labor day 2005) and i only have 36,234 miles on it. anyway, here's what happened. i was driving my car on the freeway last weekend and all of a sudden i hear this loud pop from under the car and then the engine started to like sputter. then the check engine light and the oil light started to flash on and off as i was trying to get to the right shoulder so i turned the engine off and proceeded to coast to the shoulder. at that point i knew it wasn't good. the hood started to smoke so i had to call triple a to come get me and my car. the next day i had the car taken to where i bought the car in tustin. first off let me say that i take extremely good care of my car. i get my oil changes every 3000-4000 miles (my brother in law is the manager at a quickie lube and has always taken care of me) so i thought this for sure was something that i had nothing to worry about, it had to be covered by warranty. well anyway, i got to the dealership shortly after my car arrived there and immediately, the service guy said "oh well you know those quickie lube places...they probably did something wrong when you took it to them, they are known to use the wrong parts" so without even looking at the car yet he assumed and was trying to blame someone else. well, i got a rental car which mazda said they will cover if they are at fault. but i just got news back yesterday from them saying that they say that my engine (cylinder #1) has a hole in it and it is all due to the oil filter because it is not the oem part and it was twisted from being the incorrect size therefore it was not doing its job filtering which caused the engine to blow??? i dont know much about cars but my dad does and he's not convinced. everytime ive had my oil changed they have used the same kind of filter, so wouldnt this have happened sooner? the oil filter being twisted isn't enough to cause such a catastrophic failure as this is it? any help or input on what i should do or how i should approach this would be much appreciated. also here is the link to the pics that the dealership took.
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics to me it looks like mazda doesnt wanna pay up for something that should be under warranty. thanks
T
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
A hole in a piston is usually caused by too lean a fuel mixture OR running low octane fuel and not oil related. I never heard of your oil filter or brand of engine oil. I was not able to open pictures of your engine either. IF you have receipts for oil & filter changes AND the oil listed meets Mazda requirements they should cover your loss. Just because some dealer person says no does not mean you are not covered. Get the Mazda service rep, dealer service person and yourself in a set-down face to face and sort it out. I would be polite but, firm that you expect Mazda to waraanty the work. Good luck.
ok i fixed the links sorry....dont know how to edit my first post though.
cyl#1 flo-thru compression
metalschlager oil
extreme twister oil filter
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
ok, i was just wondering if anyone could help me out here. i think that the mazda dealership is trying to screw me out of fixing actually replacing my engine even though it is still covered under warranty, not to mention i even had purchased the extended warranty which doesnt really matter at this point because im still under the basic warranty being that i purchased my car exactly 2 years ago (labor day 2005) and i only have 36,234 miles on it. anyway, here's what happened. i was driving my car on the freeway last weekend and all of a sudden i hear this loud pop from under the car and then the engine started to like sputter. then the check engine light and the oil light started to flash on and off as i was trying to get to the right shoulder so i turned the engine off and proceeded to coast to the shoulder. at that point i knew it wasn't good. the hood started to smoke so i had to call triple a to come get me and my car. the next day i had the car taken to where i bought the car in tustin. first off let me say that i take extremely good care of my car. i get my oil changes every 3000-4000 miles (my brother in law is the manager at a quickie lube and has always taken care of me) so i thought this for sure was something that i had nothing to worry about, it had to be covered by warranty. well anyway, i got to the dealership shortly after my car arrived there and immediately, the service guy said "oh well you know those quickie lube places...they probably did something wrong when you took it to them, they are known to use the wrong parts" so without even looking at the car yet he assumed and was trying to blame someone else. well, i got a rental car which mazda said they will cover if they are at fault. but i just got news back yesterday from them saying that they say that my engine (cylinder #1) has a hole in it and it is all due to the oil filter because it is not the oem part and it was twisted from being the incorrect size therefore it was not doing its job filtering which caused the engine to blow??? i dont know much about cars but my dad does and he's not convinced. everytime i've had my oil changed they have used the same kind of filter, so wouldnt this have happened sooner? the oil filter being twisted isn't enough to cause such a catastrophic failure as this is it? any help or input on what i should do or how i should approach this would be much appreciated. also here is the link to the pics that the dealership took.
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics to me it looks like mazda doesnt wanna pay up for something that should be under warranty. thanks
T
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
cyl#1 flo-thru compression
metalschlager oil
extreme twister oil filter
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
ok, i was just wondering if anyone could help me out here. i think that the mazda dealership is trying to screw me out of fixing actually replacing my engine even though it is still covered under warranty, not to mention i even had purchased the extended warranty which doesnt really matter at this point because im still under the basic warranty being that i purchased my car exactly 2 years ago (labor day 2005) and i only have 36,234 miles on it. anyway, here's what happened. i was driving my car on the freeway last weekend and all of a sudden i hear this loud pop from under the car and then the engine started to like sputter. then the check engine light and the oil light started to flash on and off as i was trying to get to the right shoulder so i turned the engine off and proceeded to coast to the shoulder. at that point i knew it wasn't good. the hood started to smoke so i had to call triple a to come get me and my car. the next day i had the car taken to where i bought the car in tustin. first off let me say that i take extremely good care of my car. i get my oil changes every 3000-4000 miles (my brother in law is the manager at a quickie lube and has always taken care of me) so i thought this for sure was something that i had nothing to worry about, it had to be covered by warranty. well anyway, i got to the dealership shortly after my car arrived there and immediately, the service guy said "oh well you know those quickie lube places...they probably did something wrong when you took it to them, they are known to use the wrong parts" so without even looking at the car yet he assumed and was trying to blame someone else. well, i got a rental car which mazda said they will cover if they are at fault. but i just got news back yesterday from them saying that they say that my engine (cylinder #1) has a hole in it and it is all due to the oil filter because it is not the oem part and it was twisted from being the incorrect size therefore it was not doing its job filtering which caused the engine to blow??? i dont know much about cars but my dad does and he's not convinced. everytime i've had my oil changed they have used the same kind of filter, so wouldnt this have happened sooner? the oil filter being twisted isn't enough to cause such a catastrophic failure as this is it? any help or input on what i should do or how i should approach this would be much appreciated. also here is the link to the pics that the dealership took.
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics to me it looks like mazda doesnt wanna pay up for something that should be under warranty. thanks
T
2005 mazda 6 blown engine pics
i fixed the links in my second post. you can take a look if you want. the filter that was used was a PL5505 and i have no idea what oil they used. i guess i should ask my brother in law
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