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So ..I guess we've determined that Purlator makes a piece of junk in terms of cartridge filters for those applications. It's not a length issue. A true design defect ..not manufacturing defect.
Crooked hour glass shaped boutique cartridge filter
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That wix doesn't look too bad.
I did mention that even my OEM filters moved several pleats.
But, IMO, my pureone was completely multilated. It was lopsided(noticeably shorter on one sided) and had a full hourglass shape(like Splicer's filter). If it just had bent pleats, I wouldn't have even worried.
I also agree with LC. It could just be the filter not slipping enough when installed.
The filter was UPS'd next day to Purolator. But, no word from them yet. My 'quality concern' claim # was in the 4000's. I guess they study a lot of used filters!
Here's purolators claim phone. I haven't called it(email is easier), but I bet anyone can request a filter retrieval if the have an issue with a Purolator filter:
1-800-848-3783
I did mention that even my OEM filters moved several pleats.
But, IMO, my pureone was completely multilated. It was lopsided(noticeably shorter on one sided) and had a full hourglass shape(like Splicer's filter). If it just had bent pleats, I wouldn't have even worried.
I also agree with LC. It could just be the filter not slipping enough when installed.
The filter was UPS'd next day to Purolator. But, no word from them yet. My 'quality concern' claim # was in the 4000's. I guess they study a lot of used filters!
Here's purolators claim phone. I haven't called it(email is easier), but I bet anyone can request a filter retrieval if the have an issue with a Purolator filter:
1-800-848-3783
I think I will order the parts for the spin on filter. Just to have around. This is a bit disturbing to me. It's either that or stick with the OEM filters so there are not any warranty issues. I just got back my UOA with the Purolator Filter and Havoline oil and it was great for a new motor breaking in. So the filter must have been doing something right.
Spin-On Filter Mount [Part # L301-14-310]* (Recent part# update to L301-14-311)
Spin-On Filter Gasket [Part # LF01-14-342]*
Spin-On Filter Mount [Part # L301-14-310]* (Recent part# update to L301-14-311)
Spin-On Filter Gasket [Part # LF01-14-342]*
Thanks for the re-post, Gary.
Careful with those part numbers, guys. Some applications of the 2.3-liter MZR have an oil cooler and some don't. For example, The Mazda 5 (and the Tribute, IIRC) have an oil cooler, while the 6i and the 3 apparently do not. The oil cooler on the 5 routes coolant down into the filter head area. You need to be sure you get the right filter head depending upon which application you have.
I admit my Wix doesn't look as distorted as the Purolator, but the pleats give me no confidence of holding together in the places where they're kinked on my Wix. I wonder who has the OEM contract(?).
Careful with those part numbers, guys. Some applications of the 2.3-liter MZR have an oil cooler and some don't. For example, The Mazda 5 (and the Tribute, IIRC) have an oil cooler, while the 6i and the 3 apparently do not. The oil cooler on the 5 routes coolant down into the filter head area. You need to be sure you get the right filter head depending upon which application you have.
I admit my Wix doesn't look as distorted as the Purolator, but the pleats give me no confidence of holding together in the places where they're kinked on my Wix. I wonder who has the OEM contract(?).
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Both are obviously seeing stress that the filter isn't designed to take. The exterior flexes and gets distorted. Some bypass mechanism is mismatched for the filter here.
HOLD ON GUYS! WIX IS MESSED UP, TOO!
Here are photos of the Napa Gold filter I took out of my Mazda MZR 2.3-liter at the oil change a few days ago. It's not as deformed as somw of the other photos here, but it's clearly not in pristine condition. So, perhaps we should reconsider some of the 'conclusions' drawn in this thread so far.
BTW, this filter was in service for ~4,400 miles.
OK, I'm having a problem getting these images to show up reliably, so let me fiddle around and see if I can get a different host or something. For now, alt-click and open the images in a new tab (or a new window for IE users).
Here are photos of the Napa Gold filter I took out of my Mazda MZR 2.3-liter at the oil change a few days ago. It's not as deformed as somw of the other photos here, but it's clearly not in pristine condition. So, perhaps we should reconsider some of the 'conclusions' drawn in this thread so far.
BTW, this filter was in service for ~4,400 miles.
OK, I'm having a problem getting these images to show up reliably, so let me fiddle around and see if I can get a different host or something. For now, alt-click and open the images in a new tab (or a new window for IE users).
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No problem here. I think you may have hit the URL button instead of the IMAGE button
I, too, think this problem is with Mazda, not the filter manufacturers. Is there an overall length problem with the filters? Perhaps, but one wonders who makes the OEM filters and whether they have an aftermarket outlet. One also wonders whether the Mazda and/or Ford filters exhibit the same issues; I don't recall my factory-installed filter's appearance when I changed it.
I have dealt with cartridge-type filters in various applications before, but this is my first exposure to them in a passenger vehicle application. Everything else I've dealt with uses metal for the endcaps and cage around and/or inside the cartridge. The all-plastic method used here does not impress me in the least degree so far.
BTW, the first UOA on this engine was NOT impressive at all. We'll see what the one at the lab right now shows me.
I have dealt with cartridge-type filters in various applications before, but this is my first exposure to them in a passenger vehicle application. Everything else I've dealt with uses metal for the endcaps and cage around and/or inside the cartridge. The all-plastic method used here does not impress me in the least degree so far.
BTW, the first UOA on this engine was NOT impressive at all. We'll see what the one at the lab right now shows me.
Here is a picture of the WIX and Purolator.
In there new state. Notice the difference In size and design.
No need to post the used filter since it looks like the others all ready posted.
Sorry about the picture size this is my first pic post.
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In there new state. Notice the difference In size and design.
No need to post the used filter since it looks like the others all ready posted.
Sorry about the picture size this is my first pic post.
[ September 10, 2006, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: LC ]
So which is which? It doesn't look like either has a center tube. Filter Guy has mentioned no center tube designs. No reason why one couldn't work, saving that much more material.
I have only hand tightend the filter housing when installing. They only go so far so using a wrench would only crack the housing. I do know the OEM filter I had to use a filter cup style socket to get it off. The OEM filter looked fine. I will see in a few week how the WIX filter looks.
I am sticking to OEM filter from here on out.
As I have a lot of warranty time left on the auto.
I am sticking to OEM filter from here on out.
As I have a lot of warranty time left on the auto.
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumm. What if some of the filters are too short allowing oil to bypass them?
In my case, the Mini Cooper S has only small tubes at either end , (cap and base) to hold the filter. On the left Puro L15465, on the right BMW OEM . The core is essential according to MINI.
That's a pretty big difference in the size of your...........um,.....hole.
On my Mazda the Wix filter is identical in every way to the OEM filter (length, diameter, hole size). But the Purolator appears to be slightly longer then the OEM filter.
Darryl
On my Mazda the Wix filter is identical in every way to the OEM filter (length, diameter, hole size). But the Purolator appears to be slightly longer then the OEM filter.
Darryl
I should have mentioned, the inner 1/4 inch of the OEM hole is soft and easily deflects to form a seal on the mount
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Yes, Splicer, it does have that elastic property that I only have faint memories of. That tight seal was a great selling feature.
While I don't doubt peoples experience with "filter squish", it's just so weird because I have a 2006 Mazda3 2.3L and I have never seen this on my car with the OEM, or the Wix filters. (I haven't tried Purolator)
I wonder what the differences could be between cars, or even filter changing techniques that would cause car A to squish filters, and car B to not?
My factory installed OEM filter was just ever so slightly "twisted" when I removed it, and my 4 Wix filters have always looked just like they did when they were installed. (except a little oilier!)
Anyway, I will continue to use the Wix #57203's until I see one come off of my car like the ones in the pics above. I ordered (and have at my house) the 2.0L filter conversion kit, but I don't want to install it until I see a twisted filter, or I'm out of warranty.
Darryl
I wonder what the differences could be between cars, or even filter changing techniques that would cause car A to squish filters, and car B to not?
My factory installed OEM filter was just ever so slightly "twisted" when I removed it, and my 4 Wix filters have always looked just like they did when they were installed. (except a little oilier!)
Anyway, I will continue to use the Wix #57203's until I see one come off of my car like the ones in the pics above. I ordered (and have at my house) the 2.0L filter conversion kit, but I don't want to install it until I see a twisted filter, or I'm out of warranty.
Darryl
Ya, disturbing is good word for this Purolator situation. I have the first filter change coming up on my 2.3 Mazda (Ford Fusion) and just returned the Purolators I had and will pick up a NAPA.
I just did my 2.3's first filter change. Interestingly the OEM filter has felt rings on the top and bottom as do both models from Purolator. The OEM came out looking good and wasn't twisted. I installed a Wix (Napa Gold #7203, $4.99) and then removed it to see if it twisted the pleats. It came out perfect. Now I did oil the top and bottom of the Wix so that may have helped even though there is plenty of old oil in the filter housing to sufficiently lube a new filter upon installation. I wonder if some filters are twisting the pleats upon removal?
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