I had several VW buses, back when I was 10 feet tall and immortal. Much hoonage committed with 40 HP. They were very common but I can't remember seeing badly wrecked ones. You paid attention and avoided situations before they arose.
crash test of the vw buses
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Originally Posted By: Silk
The Hi Ace is still the top selling van in NZ, but is the only forward control van you can get now, the rest are just too unsafe. I guess we just like the Hi Ace.
How about the Canter or Nissan Cabstar?
The Hi Ace is still the top selling van in NZ, but is the only forward control van you can get now, the rest are just too unsafe. I guess we just like the Hi Ace.
How about the Canter or Nissan Cabstar?
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Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: Trav
Not quite as dangerous as this but close. Now they want to bring back this widow maker. Getting closer to a riding awn mower with seats.
So how do you feel about motorcycles?
I feel I should darn well drive what I like. PROVIDING my choice of vehicle does not unduly endanger others.
Agreed, as long as I, the taxpayer, don't have to foot the bill for your medical/disability expenses.
I see your point.
I think smoking, Drinking alochol, Drug abusers, Sking, riding bicycles, climbing ladders (without certification) and a whole list of sports activities should exempt injured victims from medical coverage also.
Actually I have a much longer list, but these few would do for a start.
Where do you draw your line?
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: Trav
Not quite as dangerous as this but close. Now they want to bring back this widow maker. Getting closer to a riding awn mower with seats.
So how do you feel about motorcycles?
I feel I should darn well drive what I like. PROVIDING my choice of vehicle does not unduly endanger others.
Agreed, as long as I, the taxpayer, don't have to foot the bill for your medical/disability expenses.
I see your point.
I think smoking, Drinking alochol, Drug abusers, Sking, riding bicycles, climbing ladders (without certification) and a whole list of sports activities should exempt injured victims from medical coverage also.
Actually I have a much longer list, but these few would do for a start.
Where do you draw your line?
They are trucks, not vans. Mitsubishi L300, Mazda Bongo, Nissan Vanette, Nissan Caravan, these are all forward control vans. I'm doing a cambelt on an L300 today.
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: fsdork
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: Trav
Not quite as dangerous as this but close. Now they want to bring back this widow maker. Getting closer to a riding awn mower with seats.
So how do you feel about motorcycles?
I feel I should darn well drive what I like. PROVIDING my choice of vehicle does not unduly endanger others.
Agreed, as long as I, the taxpayer, don't have to foot the bill for your medical/disability expenses.
I see your point.
I think smoking, Drinking alochol, Drug abusers, Sking, riding bicycles, climbing ladders (without certification) and a whole list of sports activities should exempt injured victims from medical coverage also.
Actually I have a much longer list, but these few would do for a start.
Where do you draw your line?
The problem isn't with the vehicles, it's with the idea that government is responsible to take care of you should an accident or injury occur.
I can't get much more into that without breaking the discussion rules here.
Originally Posted By: fsdork
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: Trav
Not quite as dangerous as this but close. Now they want to bring back this widow maker. Getting closer to a riding awn mower with seats.
So how do you feel about motorcycles?
I feel I should darn well drive what I like. PROVIDING my choice of vehicle does not unduly endanger others.
Agreed, as long as I, the taxpayer, don't have to foot the bill for your medical/disability expenses.
I see your point.
I think smoking, Drinking alochol, Drug abusers, Sking, riding bicycles, climbing ladders (without certification) and a whole list of sports activities should exempt injured victims from medical coverage also.
Actually I have a much longer list, but these few would do for a start.
Where do you draw your line?
The problem isn't with the vehicles, it's with the idea that government is responsible to take care of you should an accident or injury occur.
I can't get much more into that without breaking the discussion rules here.
Originally Posted By: Silk
They are trucks, not vans. Mitsubishi L300, Mazda Bongo, Nissan Vanette, Nissan Caravan, these are all forward control vans. I'm doing a cambelt on an L300 today.
They are legally vans here if the max gross weight is under 3501 kg.
They are trucks, not vans. Mitsubishi L300, Mazda Bongo, Nissan Vanette, Nissan Caravan, these are all forward control vans. I'm doing a cambelt on an L300 today.
They are legally vans here if the max gross weight is under 3501 kg.
Not what's I'd call a van. We have a Canter at work with a small crane on it - unloaded you can drive it with a car license, with a decent load you need a truck license.
looks like a 6 ton?
Anyway, the cab isn't higher or has any more crumple zone space than a Vanette. How does the driver fare in a crash, I bet it's not that much different from the Vanette/Hi Ace.
I've had one in last year that was involved in a crash with a Passat. The Passat driver was dead, the Canter driver had broken toes and got a very hefty shake up. Though the Passat driver might have died before the crash as he swerved across 3 lanes without apparent reason. The canter was a write off, cabin was twisted properly, the chassis was anything but straight...
Anyway, the cab isn't higher or has any more crumple zone space than a Vanette. How does the driver fare in a crash, I bet it's not that much different from the Vanette/Hi Ace.
I've had one in last year that was involved in a crash with a Passat. The Passat driver was dead, the Canter driver had broken toes and got a very hefty shake up. Though the Passat driver might have died before the crash as he swerved across 3 lanes without apparent reason. The canter was a write off, cabin was twisted properly, the chassis was anything but straight...
Let's put it another way - light vans are unibody, the Canter has a full chassis. I saw a prang between a motorcycle and a Nissan C20...the bike rode away undamaged, the C20 had the driver's floor pushed up and you couldn't opperate the pedals.
Iveco daily is a truck then or a light van? It has a full chassis but looks like a unibody.
and then theres the renault master, using lots of iveco parts for thebody, but it's a unibody fwd...
and then theres the renault master, using lots of iveco parts for thebody, but it's a unibody fwd...
Front engine, which is the way they are all going now, not forward control sitting on the engine like a Hi Ace.
With a canter you sit on the engine like a hi ace, yet it's full chassis like a Daily. Is it the cab tilt that makes it a truck then? GVWR is the same for all 3 above
It's the cab that makes it a truck. There are pickup versions of forward control vans of course, but they are adapted from the vans, not a van body built onto a cab only.
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