CR puts out don't buy warning on Lexus SUV

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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: rszappa1
Geee know some of you that was bashing CR just a few weeks ago about there prro ratings of some GM..Chrysler and Ford cars are now saying that CR report is right on..... Funny how opinions change when the wind changes directions..
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That's the opposite of how I see it. More like when CR bashes domestics certain posters say CR is right on. Now that CR criticises an Import they attack CR. I don't give CR any creedence either way.


Hey, I've always pretty much envisioned the creators of CR as a bunch of folks who drive around in Volvo station wagons, listening to NPR with smug looks on their faces. And please see below regarding what I drive...
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Originally Posted By: 97prizm

Well it looks like Toyota CARES what consumer reports said about the Lexus GX460. 20 minutes ago Toyota called all of their dealers and halted sales of the vehicle. As a side note the GX460 isn't based on the 4runner, it's based on the Toyota Land Cruiser, a few responses were in error over that. A couple of posts said that last years design was ok, thats due to the 2010 model being completely brand new in design.


Very interesting as to the first point. Much more interesting as to the vehicle's genetics. As I noted in an earlier post in this thread, the GX shares the same platform as the also-brand-new Toyota 4Runner. Any word on the 4Runner's status? Given the similarities, I'd think it would be much the same.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Steve S
CR reliability reports are excellent.


My understanding is that the CR reliability ratings are derived from surveys filled out by their subscibers. So if you trust the type of people who subscribe to CR as reliable sources, then go for it.

IMO, the subscribers who haven't figured out what a rag CR is, are the last sub set of the market I want to get advice from.



Right on. CR reliability data is SOLELY driven by subscribers input via surveys. You cannot tell who is telling the truth because you don't have to verify that you in fact do own the car being reviewed. Secondly - if a car model sells 80,000 units in a year - how many buyers are CR readers who survey the vehicle?? I doubt 80,000 readers by all the models produced. So there you have MASSIVE sampling errors.

Its GARBAGE. CR is trash. Plus their "leader" is an anti-gun nut and you know how those people are...
 
The consensus on the 4 Runner forum is that so far this hasn't happened to anyone with a new 4 Runner, but a few people have mentioned having throttle issues the dealer "Can't Duplicate." It's good that toyota stepped up (I'm not personally a fan of toyota, as they got rid of their performance cars, the rest of the line up bores me, just my opinion) but I think that either they hoped this "glitch would go unnoticed" as they admitted to knowing of the gas pedal problems all the way back in September of 09'. Just my thoughts. Here is the article. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_consumer_reports
 
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Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
More whining from CR, what a surprise.

Drive with a little sense and that Lexus won't flip.

I'd be perfectly happy if SUVs didn't have that ESC [censored] at all.


You don't live in winter conditions where ESC works pretty well especially black ice. Cars do not flip up here SUV's do in the winter. Driving with common sense is most important however the roads may look perfect and that black ice always lurks and if you beat the sander...
 
That's basically an upmarket Toyota Prado, which sells like hot cakes here. The fact that people drive like maniacs here, and I have yet to see one of those flip over, I'm not sure I buy that. Real world driving in this part of the world is far worse than any test CR can put cars through. If you're buying an SUV, do not expect it to handle like a race car.
 
MSN Headline news is Toyota is to stop selling the Lexus GX460 SUV. There has to be more to it that a lousy CR report for Toyota to stop selling them. They are going to suspend sales until they run their own tests.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
MSN Headline news is Toyota is to stop selling the Lexus GX460 SUV. There has to be more to it that a lousy CR report for Toyota to stop selling them. They are going to suspend sales until they run their own tests.

I wouldn't use their action as evidence of a problem, especially if they didn't run their own tests beforehand. They are probably just trying to make sure that no one can say they weren't responsive. There are lots of eyes on them right now...
 
It's also one of the headlines on AFP News:

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Toyota suspends sales of Lexus SUV

Released on - Wednesday,14 April , 2010 -11:37 59


Toyota has suspended North American sales of its 2010 Lexus GX 460 after a US consumer magazine issued a safety warning, in the latest blow to the embattled Japanese automaker's reputation.

Consumer Reports gave the sports utility vehicle a rare "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" rating after finding safety risks when testing the car.

When pushed to its limits, the rear of the GX "slid out until the vehicle was almost sideways before the electronic stability control system was able to regain control," the magazine said.

"We believe that in real-world driving, that situation could lead to a rollover accident, which could cause serious injury or death," it added, although cautioning it was "not aware of any such reports."

In response Toyota, late Tuesday said it asked dealers to "temporarily suspend sales of the 2010 GX 460" in the United States, but insisted it was "confident that the GX meets our high safety standards."

Toyota also asked dealers in Canada "to temporarily suspend delivery" of the same model, the company said.

The automaker has recalled millions of cars worldwide since late 2009, mostly over a series of problems linked to "unintended acceleration."

The recalls have caused an outcry in the United States, with Toyota executives hauled over the coals in the US Congress and the company's previously stellar reputation for safety left in tatters.

Toyota said it was concerned by the Consumer Reports rating and had not experienced any similar problems in its own tests. It offered to provide a loan car to concerned GX 460 owners until it had identified a remedy.

"We are taking the situation with the GX 460 very seriously and are determined to identify and correct the issue Consumer Reports identified," Toyota said.

"Our engineering teams are vigorously testing the GX using Consumer Reports' specific parameters to identify how we can make the GX's performance even better."

The company faces a record 16.4-million-dollar fine in the United States for its failure to notify authorities quickly about vehicle safety problems.

And its troubles are not over yet, with the National Highway Transport Safety Administration (NHTSA) warning Toyota in a letter obtained Saturday by AFP that it could slap another fine on the Japanese automaker.

Of Toyota's recalls, more than six million have been in the United States, mainly for sudden acceleration problems but also for brake-system issues on some hybrid vehicles.

The automaker has been hit with at least 97 lawsuits seeking damages for injury or death linked to sudden acceleration and 138 class action lawsuits from customers suing to recoup losses in the resale value of Toyota vehicles following the recalls.

It has also suspended production of some Lexus models in Japan over problems with the braking system.

The beleaguered automaker recently announced it would reshape its global operations as part of efforts to "regain consumer confidence" by boosting transparency and speeding up the decision-making process for recalls.

Despite the latest blows to Toyota's reputation, its shares closed 0.94 percent higher at 3,740 yen in Tokyo trade Wednesday.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
MSN Headline news is Toyota is to stop selling the Lexus GX460 SUV. There has to be more to it that a lousy CR report for Toyota to stop selling them. They are going to suspend sales until they run their own tests.

I wouldn't use their action as evidence of a problem, especially if they didn't run their own tests beforehand. They are probably just trying to make sure that no one can say they weren't responsive. There are lots of eyes on them right now...



The are covering their [censored]. Smart move if you ask me.
 
Now that I think about it, my only question is this: If they were 100% certain the product was safe why halt sales? They must have a tiny bit of doubt or they'd be defending the product. It makes me wonder.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Right on. CR reliability data is SOLELY driven by subscribers input via surveys. You cannot tell who is telling the truth because you don't have to verify that you in fact do own the car being reviewed. Secondly - if a car model sells 80,000 units in a year - how many buyers are CR readers who survey the vehicle?? I doubt 80,000 readers by all the models produced. So there you have MASSIVE sampling errors.

Its GARBAGE. CR is trash. Plus their "leader" is an anti-gun nut and you know how those people are...

CR always seems to have an agenda so I stopped paying attention to them years ago.

Their reliability ratings are questionable to put it mildly. You see this all the time when different years of the exact same model score differently even though there were NO changes at all to the vehicles.

User perception also drives those ratings. That explains how GM cars and Toyotas built on the same line at NUMMI can have such different ratings.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now that I think about it, my only question is this: If they were 100% certain the product was safe why halt sales? They must have a tiny bit of doubt or they'd be defending the product. It makes me wonder.


For the same reason you get a lot of seemingly unrelated tests when you go to the doctor. It's a preemptive strike against the trial lawyers. It helps defuse the phrase "known, or should have known..."
 
Originally Posted By: jsharp
CR always seems to have an agenda so I stopped paying attention to them years ago.

Their reliability ratings are questionable to put it mildly. You see this all the time when different years of the exact same model score differently even though there were NO changes at all to the vehicles.

User perception also drives those ratings. That explains how GM cars and Toyotas built on the same line at NUMMI can have such different ratings.


+1.
 
So Toyota halted sales of the Lexus GX460 until the issue is resolved. What about the 6,000 GX 460s that have already been sold?
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
So Toyota halted sales of the Lexus GX460 until the issue is resolved. What about the 6,000 GX 460s that have already been sold?

Indeed. That reinforces my suspicion that they don't actually think it's a problem (yet), and that this is mainly a CYA move on Toyota's part.
 
Totally agree, this is a CYA move all the way.

The absolute last thing Toyota can afford right now is to appear to not be ahead of a known, speculated or reported issue. Because of "other" news, they have to appear to be all over this. If that "other" looming issue didn't exist, my guess is we would see an entirely different reaction.

The alternative is that CR was right about something, and my world view won't allow that.....lol.
 
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