Considering Synthetic...question?

[Bill in Utah]

Looks like you need to read some of Gary's and Pablo's posts.

Again, at ANY temperature that you are going to see in Texas, syn does not flow ANY better than a conventional oil of the same grade.

That is a FACT. Now, go to someplace FAR FAR FAR north of Texas (closer to the North pole) and only in the very cold regions will syn have any flow over conventional, and then only a FEW syns. Plus most people in those climates plug in so there goes the temp issue.

Still waiting for the name of the CITY in Texas that sees 0 degrees. And 10-15 EVERY winter. Let us know...

Bill

 

[FZ1]

I'll make it real simple. Does Synthetic oil flow more quickly than Conventional oil. Yes or No?

 

[BobFout]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I'll make it real simple. Does Synthetic oil flow more quickly than Conventional oil. Yes or No?


It's not a yes or no question given the wording. It depends on many variables. So...the correct answer is yes and no.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I'll make it real simple. Does Synthetic oil flow more quickly than Conventional oil. Yes or No?


Sometimes. All 5W30 oils have a cSt@40C of 60 or close to it. There is no relationship beween the ones that are slightly above or below that can be attributed to them being synthetic, dino, or a blend. There are many dinos that have lower cSt@40 than high end boutique oils such as Redline and Royal Purple. But it doesn't matter as that score is useless other than to show that they all flow about the same in warm weather.

As long as you have a nice buffer between pour point score and the lowest expected temps the car will be driven in while its in, then your good. I would think any 5W oil, conventional or synthetic, would provide all the buffer you need in your region.

Pour point only matters when you live in cold regions. I will be running 10W30 PP this winter because I like the oil, the price is right, and it has all the buffer I need for our climate here.

I have lived in the arctic circle (winter temps never below -40C) and people drove year round on dino, because that was all there was then. At night people plugged their cars in, and did the same thing if it was going to be shut down for any period during the day.

That is cold. I no longer have to plug in, but I still like having that buffer. Maybe due to occasionally leaving the car out too long, in previous places, without plugging in and winding up with a flooded engine and a dead battery when I tried restarting later that day.

-Spyder

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I'll make it real simple. Does Synthetic oil flow more quickly than Conventional oil. Yes or No?


No in most temperatures that NA sees. Esp Texas... (Still waiting on the name of the TEXAS city that sees 0 degrees here and there and 10-15f every winter)

 

[FZ1]

You think it's like the "Lonesome Dove" set down here all the time,Hoss? 0 in Dallas back in about 1980. 11-13 last winter. The point is:Synthetic flows faster,wherever it's used. Really,almost,everyone knows that.

 

[HTSS_TR]

The oil companies want you to think that synthetic flows faster than dino at all temperatures, because it is their benefit to sell more synthetic than dino for fatter profit.

 

[FZ1]

Check the net. I haven't seen any articles that state that conv flos faster.

 

[mrbanhbao]

wow what a long debate over dino vs. synthetic

 

[yaris0128]

Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
wow what a long debate over conventional vs. synthetic


+1

We all know synthetic is better. Todays conventional oil is also fantastic. Case closed. I use synthetic purely for the longer OCI. In 1 year Ill have spent $35 on 1 change of PU vs. 3 changes of QS conventional for $54. Money saved and my car is still happy. Thats pretty much how you should make up your mind.

 

[Zaedock]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
The point is:Synthetic flows faster,wherever it's used.


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That's a very absolute statement which is simply not true. There are several examples of a brand's dino having less resistance to flow than it's synthetic counterpart. Look up the specs.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
wow what a long debate over dino vs. synthetic


Welcome to BITOG.

Here most of us take pride it making sure that what is posted on this web site is FACT. When members are posting NON-FACTUAL info then we counter post to let others who may be reading this to get the TRUTH.

Some members just don't get it. You are witnessing a few. There is NO "flow" difference between a 5w30 conventional or 5w30 Syn at normal temps that Texas ever sees.

There is also a great side benefit of threads like this. It shows others who's "advice" to not follow.

Take care, bill

 

[FZ1]

Well,then. Where are your Facts?? When I search the net keying in:"Synthetic flow vs, Conventional". All I get is multiple articles,from multiple sources, stating that Synthetic oil flows faster than Conventional oil. The Amsoil site is one of them. So......Again, Show me a preponderance of articles supporting your postition. Go ahead.....key in my search and tell us what you find pro and con,to your position.

 

[jmac]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah


Still waiting for the name of the CITY in Texas that sees 0 degrees. And 10-15 EVERY winter. Let us know...

Bill


Hi Bill,
Amarillo, Tx. is your answer. Usually only for a day or two in January, but if you go looking, look at the lowest temps for that month historically and not avg., also usually not shown on the graphs.

 

[chevrofreak]

Synthetic may not "flow better" but it takes less power to pump it in colder temperatures. Compare the CCS and MRV numbers of a conventional and a synthetic of the same grade.

 

[saberz]

I've debated this quite a bit in a few threads. I was a long time Synthetic user etc etc but have accrued a stash of conventional oils(namely FS 5w30). Why am I switching back? Because I live in a climate that is neither excessively hot, nor excessively cold. A synthetic isn't really warranted in this region. I can save money(I have about 12qts, thats 3 oil changes) that cost me roughly the same price as a single 5qt jug of synthetic oil.

Its all opinion and preference. I know that conventional will work, I used to use in my 94 Wrangler, and my brother used it in the same car when he bought it new. It went 225k+ miles on dino and it even sat for 2 years. In the dead of winter I needed to use it as an emergency and it cranked on the first turn.

Use what makes you happy, we can debate this to the end of time but my opinion is that unless you live in Antarctica or Alaska/norther regions of isolation there really shouldn't be a point. And unless you are traversing the jungles of South America, the plains of Africa or the deserts of the Middle East you do not need a synthetic.

 

[mrbanhbao]

I live in the northwest. Seattle to be exact, its hottest in the summer would be 85-90 degrees on few days. And during the winter it's coldest i've experienced which was 2 years ago was 30 degrees. But on average i would say it's not too hot or cold. Just a lot of RAIN RAIN RAIN..! It's not too much money for me to get synthetic and i just found out my friend can get me purulator pure one filters for free so im a happy camper. =D
I really think it's a personal preference.. Either conventional or synthetic is good now. But before, i doubt conventional oil was any good vs. synthetic...

 

[FZ1]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
wow what a long debate over dino vs. synthetic


Welcome to BITOG.

Here most of us take pride it making sure that what is posted on this web site is FACT. When members are posting NON-FACTUAL info then we counter post to let others who may be reading this to get the TRUTH.

Some members just don't get it. You are witnessing a few. There is NO "flow" difference between a 5w30 conventional or 5w30 Syn at normal temps that Texas ever sees.

There is also a great side benefit of threads like this. It shows others who's "advice" to not follow.

Take care, bill
......I called you out. Where are your Facts,articles,etc. to support your claim that conventional flows as well as synthetic?

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
I live in the northwest. Seattle to be exact, its hottest in the summer would be 85-90 degrees on few days. And during the winter it's coldest i've experienced which was 2 years ago was 30 degrees. But on average i would say it's not too hot or cold. Just a lot of RAIN RAIN RAIN..! It's not too much money for me to get synthetic and i just found out my friend can get me purulator pure one filters for free so im a happy camper. =D
I really think it's a personal preference.. Either conventional or synthetic is good now. But before, i doubt conventional oil was any good vs. synthetic...


My sister lives across the pond in Victoria. I envy your climate. The gap, along with the price, between conventional and synthetic has narrowed considerably. I agree that for most people, it really is just personal preference.

Its human nature that if we spend a little more for one product over another that does the same thing, to feel the need to justify spending that extra on some basis. I have been guilty of doing this, when really it just comes down to me liking the syn I use and being willing to part with the extra few bucks to buy it up while its on sale. There are some real reasons too, but when you get right down to it, that's basically what it boils down to.

-Spyder

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
......I called you out. Where are your Facts,articles,etc. to support your claim that conventional flows as well as synthetic?


Looking at what you posted and your "reference" material no need to prove a fact.

Spend sometime here on this site and LOOK and you may learn something. Like a 5w30 conventional or syn flows the same at normal temps.

Bill