Considering Synthetic...question?

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: rclint

As far as more protection unless your car has turbo or requires a specific spec to meet then you will not get any more protection from a synthetic than you would conventional..

Oh no?

syn advantages in any situation...

extended drain capability's
better extreme high oil temp protection
better deposit control
better sludge control
better cold weather performance
good cleaning capability's
improved MPG capability's

just a few but not getting off the OP topic yes you can switch back and forth.




Let me FIX your list....

possible extended drain capability's
possible better extreme high oil temp protection
possible better deposit control
possible better sludge control
possible better cold weather performance
possible good cleaning capability's
possible improved MPG capability's

And why possible? IF your engine NEEDS it then its possible that syn over conventional maybe it will help.

Plenty of engines (MOST OF THEM) get by fine for hundreds of thousands of miles without syn oil. They start in well below zero with long life.

In this OPs situation, he would be better off with more freq oil changes and his OLM WILL indicate it.

You asked why not use syn oil when priced at "only" $21 for 5 qts?

Because $12 oil for 5 quarts will do the SAME job with the SAME results.

For the long life of the engine that he has.

Bill

PS: For mrbanhbao

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Spyder7
The fact that I'm on the wrong coast and get to change it then in both rain & snow (probably in the same time interval), rather than just rain or snow

Lying on your back on a light powder is no fun when the downpour comes and sends a river of cold slush down your pants (gives a whole other meaning to the expression 'blue balls'

-Spyder

try doing a head gasket swap in a snow storm.

a piece of cardboard or plastic laid down would aide yours.

 

[cp3]

How about intake gaskets on an Astro in the snow?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
Originally Posted By: Durango
Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
Hey i just joined the forum because i heard this forum is very informative and friendly. Anyways i recently bought a Honda Civic Si 2009 with 13k miles back in April. I just got my oil change and it's regular oil (10w30) in mid august. I want to change it out in about 1000 miles to Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 Extended Performance (5w30). Will there be any problem because im switching from reg to synthetic?

I read that i should slowly switch over like use synthetic blend then to full synthetic (i dont think either of the brands is fully synthetic, maybe group III) right..?

Thanks


mrbanhbao,
You can do the switch any time you want based on the mileage on the ododmeter already. I don't know the grouping of the two brands you mentioned but I trust Mobil 1 myself BUT I'm sure the Pennzoil is excellent synethic too. Choose what ever is on sale and you'll be fine.

Durango


haha yeah that was my intended plan. Which ever is cheaper...! but a member has a point, since im just commuting only a few miles a day. Having synthetic is a waste..

In my opinion it would not be a waste to use synthetic. Given the short drives and limited engine warm-ups, I would think you would be better off with a synthetic oil. The contaminates would accumulate much faster with short trips vs. a longer commute. Now that doesn't mean that I would advocate an extended drain. Still, I would change it out every 4 to 5k. My opinion is that with synthetics, you MAY reduce the amount of startup wear with a slightly faster low temp flow (and perhaps get up to operating temp faster), and from what I understand some synthetics MAY be less inclined to allow the formation of sludge etc. But yes, you could use dino and change it out sooner and be fine. Personally I would just prefer using a quality synthetic in your situation.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: cp3
How about intake gaskets on an Astro in the snow?

Yep that's a good one too..love working on vans with all that room in there.

 

[Durango]

Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
Originally Posted By: Durango
Originally Posted By: mrbanhbao
Hey i just joined the forum because i heard this forum is very informative and friendly. Anyways i recently bought a Honda Civic Si 2009 with 13k miles back in April. I just got my oil change and it's regular oil (10w30) in mid august. I want to change it out in about 1000 miles to Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 Extended Performance (5w30). Will there be any problem because im switching from reg to synthetic?

I read that i should slowly switch over like use synthetic blend then to full synthetic (i dont think either of the brands is fully synthetic, maybe group III) right..?

Thanks


mrbanhbao,
You can do the switch any time you want based on the mileage on the ododmeter already. I don't know the grouping of the two brands you mentioned but I trust Mobil 1 myself BUT I'm sure the Pennzoil is excellent synethic too. Choose what ever is on sale and you'll be fine.

Durango


haha yeah that was my intended plan. Which ever is cheaper...! but a member has a point, since im just commuting only a few miles a day. Having synthetic is a waste..


mrbanhbao,
Since you only commute a few miles per day you can still use a synthetic and just change it out once per year. I use my OLM monitor in my 09' Impala and its a fantastic device. This is regardless of wether I use a synthetic or not.


Durango

 

[FZ1]

Run the lowest Oem spec weight oil. It's 5-20 on my 02 V6 Accord. I agree with Junkies "more frequent ocis are better" philosophy. I change mine every Fall and Winter at about 4,000 -4500. I prefer synthetic for the standard reasons,Flow being important to me. I get slightly better mpg with synthetic:In my case;synthetic pays for itself with better mpg.

 

[FZ1]

Sorry,guys. Meant to say I change mine every Fall and SPRING.

 

[Ibrahim]

Stick to regular OCI with conventional oils, till your engine cleans up with metallic debris, perhaps once you have over 25K miles

You can switch to Mobil 1 Extended Performance or PU if your goal is to extend your OCI but you are still under warranty, it is slightly risky to go over an OCI as stipulated by your mfg!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Run the lowest Oem spec weight oil. It's 5-20 on my 02 V6 Accord. I agree with Junkies "more frequent ocis are better" philosophy. I change mine every Fall and Winter at about 4,000 -4500. I prefer synthetic for the standard reasons,Flow being important to me. I get slightly better mpg with synthetic:In my case;synthetic pays for itself with better mpg.


There is NO DIFFERENCE in "flow" in ANY temp you can EVER see in Texas...

Please....

 

[FZ1]

No,man. If it flows better:It flows better. End of story. Ask Gary or Pablo.

 

[Audi Junkie]

How much better and to what benefit?

Starting at 500cSt or 550cSt is not going to matter, at all.

 

[Spyder7]

I agree. Cold flow (or pour point) only starts to matter when temps start getting close to freezing. If they never do, its a non-issue.

I have lived in places where we had to use block heaters at night in the winter. If you didn't use one, the next morning your oil would flow as well as frozen soup and all the cranking in the world just left you with a dead battery.

That was before the easy availability of 5W and 0W oils, when most used whatever 10W40 was on the shelf. It never gets that cold here, but still cold enough that I take things like pour point into account when choosing winter oil.

If I lived in Tx, I'd be more concerned with things like HTHS & NOACK, and forget cold flow entirely.

-Spyder

 

[FZ1]

Well,how cold do you think it gets in Texas,Hoss? I've Seen 0*F,we had a few 11-12*F days last Winter. Those in the Know,go with the Flow.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Well,how cold do you think it gets in Texas,Hoss? I've Seen 0*F,we had a few 11-12*F days last Winter. Those in the Know,go with the Flow.


Colder than I thought, apparently.

-Spyder

 

[FZ1]

Lol. It's a Big State!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Well,how cold do you think it gets in Texas,Hoss? I've Seen 0*F,we had a few 11-12*F days last Winter. Those in the Know,go with the Flow.


And I STILL stand by the comment. (And trust me, I know cold more than any place in Texas)

BTW: Let me know where in Texas it gets 0 degrees during every winter. Or even 11-12f...

 

[mrbanhbao]

wow i didnt know it gets that cold in Texas. I always thought Texas is a hot place (desert) but i got a free puralator pure one filter today for my car! i read it's a decent filter to use..=D

 

[CompSyn]

I ran Castrol GTX in my 1997 Civic at 3-month intervals for the first 8 years I owned the car. I bought the car in 2000 with 40k on it and detailed maintenance records.

Recently, when I had a valve adjustment done the mechanic told me there is hard baked on deposits on the underside of the valve cover that would not come off after two trips to a solvent tank. I can see and touch these deposits through the oil fill spout so I know he is not making it up.

Don’t know if these deposits are oil related, mechanical related, driving habit related or combination?

My places of work have always been a short distance; currently at 3-miles one way. I generally put 5,000-miles on the car per year.

At 130,000-miles I switched to SSO 0w30 synthetic and change the oil at one year intervals.

Used Oil Analysis supports the longer drains in my application.

I now prefer quality synthetic in the high winding 4-cylinder Honda and enjoy the benefit of changing the oil once rather than 4 times a year. It's easier on the wallet too...

 

[FZ1]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Run the lowest Oem spec weight oil. It's 5-20 on my 02 V6 Accord. I agree with Junkies "more frequent ocis are better" philosophy. I change mine every Fall and Winter at about 4,000 -4500. I prefer synthetic for the standard reasons,Flow being important to me. I get slightly better mpg with synthetic:In my case;synthetic pays for itself with better mpg.


There is NO DIFFERENCE in "flow" in ANY temp you can EVER see in Texas...

Please....
...................That's incorrect. Better flow of synthetic vs. conventional is a fact............No matter where you run the oils. I prefer the better flow and other superior properties of synthetic. Ask Gary or Pablo.