Competition to the Genesis Coupe 2.0T?

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Originally Posted By: Trav
My daughter just bought a Genesis coupe 3.8 track.She got it for 28k,we looked at lots of cars in this price class but this one seems to have the best bang for the buck.Build quality and performance is excellent.I too am looking at this for myself as i hate retro looking stuff,if i wanted a nice car from yesteryear i would buy and restore an original head turner.


So, from what I read, no need to ask you if you like it or not? ;-P

Could you list what you like and what you dislike about this car? Just to see if I missed something, thanks.
 
Originally Posted By: CharlieJ
Have you considered a V6 Camaro? It gets 17/29 mpg. A little lower in the city but better on the highway with 304hp.


I just looked at the Camaro: In Canada, base price is 27.000$ which is too much for what I want to put in a new car (at that price, I will keep the Rogue that I like a lot).
Other inconvenient, as for Ford, financing rate is 5.49% which brings too high monthly payments.

That is a big problem for me as I was looking at the Fiesta Sedan too (don't ask, I am weird when it comes to compare cars), and the only way to get it would be to buy it straight up with my credit margin and reimburses my margin months after months (it is at 2.25% right now compare to the 7% of Ford).
But my wife doesn't want to take that risk for now, and I understand as I don't know for how long it will stay at 2.25%.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

2007 BMW 328i coupe.

MPG figures are a little off though.



I was more looking at brand new than used. I know that it is stupid but I was never been able to force myself buying a car used by someone else.
I will have a look at it but the financing may be a problem as for Ford and GM, and also the higher cost of maintenance.

Also, do all BMWs use premium fuel? If that is the case, then it will be a deal breaker. Just regular gas for what I want.
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I 2nd Pete's choice :)
(despite a lot less HP than the Genesis)

Also: if you're not looking for brand new, 1998-2001 Lexus SC400/SC300 coupe also fit the criteria. (kinda hard to find anymore, and probably no blue tooth, but one can always get a headunit that's blue tooth equipped, or a GPS unit)


Bluetooth GPS unit is what I have right now in the Rogue... and this is a real pain in the ..buttock to install it twice a day in the car for the commute (I already know the road, no need of the GPS function), so basically I usually don't use it which is more dangerous and illegal if my wife calls me to pick up something on my way home.
That is why it is one of the feature that I am looking for in my next car. Otherwise, I will buy another Jaba 200 for me as it seems to work correctly in my wife's car.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
If I was going to buy a reasonable RWD MT vehicle that is not a convertible (I have my eye on a 135i convertible as a commuter car), I'd look at the Lexus IS.

No car that Ive seen at auto shows over the last number of years has as high-quality a feel to it. In the secondary market they are probably overpriced, but at some age point you can find one that is within the budget.


Premium fuel for the Lexus, I believe?
I will have to check but if this is the case, that won't work.

So, from what I gathered, except of american muscle cars, there seems to be no real competition for the Genesis Coupe. It seems to be on its own, in its own niche market (A kinda muscle car for the cheaps ;-D ).
I have seen few of them on the road lately (one is in my neighborhood), and it looks really nice. I will try to find some time next week to testdrive it and see if this is OK daughter wise (access to back seats).
If it passed the test, I will look if I can sell the Rogue the price I want for it. If not, I will keep it (I am not selling it because I don't like it, but because it doesn't fit our family plans).

Thanks for all the help. If something else pops up, do not hesitate to let me know.
 
but youre looking at a 2.0T genesis? That is no muscle car. Not sure if the VW GTI takes premium, but I have to question if a turbo 2.0 actually puts out designed power with regular.

I'd be looking at a 4dr GTI 2.0T, far more practical, more useful space, and a hoot!
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I'd be looking at a 4dr GTI 2.0T, far more practical, more useful space, and a hoot!

Big +1.

The only reason I didn't mention it is that he was set on RWD, but a FWD car can be lots of fun, too.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
but youre looking at a 2.0T genesis? That is no muscle car. Not sure if the VW GTI takes premium, but I have to question if a turbo 2.0 actually puts out designed power with regular.

I'd be looking at a 4dr GTI 2.0T, far more practical, more useful space, and a hoot!

I had quick look at the genesis forums, one guy was into the low 14's with a "stage 1" upgrade from 15's stock. I didn't read all the details to what gas he's using but usually little turbo engined cars can be made pretty quick without a lot of cash, SRT-4, for example. It seems the genesis is similar.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
I was more looking at brand new than used. I know that it is stupid but I was never been able to force myself buying a car used by someone else.

That's fine. A slightly used certified vehicle offers a good value since the biggest chunk of the depreciation was absorbed by the first owner, but I understand the new car smell and that nobody [censored] in your seat before you did has its value as well. If you're planning on holding onto the car until it dies, then the extra upfront cost of a brand new vehicle probably doesn't matter all that much anyway.

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Also, do all BMWs use premium fuel? If that is the case, then it will be a deal breaker. Just regular gas for what I want.

Yup. Premium should be used. I'm actually surprised this turbo Hyundai doesn't require it. I'm pretty sure you could get better performance out of it if you did use premium though. Sort of similar with BMW and Lexus - they'll run on regular, but you'll be taking a hit on performance and fuel economy, so all in all it's just not worth it.

With that said, do you drive a lot? The cost of premium is very small in the grand scheme of things unless you really put on a boatload of miles. For example, with the current gas prices and driving 10k miles a year, assuming 50/50 city/hwy, fuel difference would be about $200 per year.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I 2nd Pete's choice :)
(despite a lot less HP than the Genesis)

Hmm...

Genesis 2.0T: 210 HP; 223 lb-ft torque
328i: 230 HP; 210 lb-ft torque



Ha! I was thinking of the Genesis with the bigger engine
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Sorry for the late reply, I spent the day (don't tell my boss) on Genesis Coupe Forums (or Fora to be latin right).

I am sorry that I confused everyone with my strange desire: Wanting a nice fun car but fuel efficient too.

There is the reasonable me that wants to get a cheaper and fuel economy car (but fully safe for my 3 year old daughter) and the mid age crisis me that likes sport cars and was surprised to find one affordable.

I am not into bigger more powerful engine, I can get a speeding ticket with everything on hand, no need of a V8 for that.
In my young age, I did more than 100mph with an 1.1l engine engineered at least 20 years earlier (I know because my mum was driving to primary school in a car which had this engine). BTW, speedometer stopped just before 100mph, so I went beyond the speedometer limit.

It seems that I just want a good looking car but still with no so bad fuel mileage. What surprised me is that the Gen Coupe seems to fulfill all my desires, and that a first for me (I still need to check if my child can come in and out easily and that the ride is still quite comfortable (If you know Quebec roads, you know what I mean)).

As for the fuel, I got the owner manual and it says that any unleaded fuel is OK. On the forum, a lot of owners tested all the flavors and none of them can say for sure that they had better fuel mileage with premium gas (in fact, most of the best mileage comes from 87 octane gas). Another good point, quite some owners achieve and even beat EPA ratings so that is better than the Rogue (same city but better highway rating due probably to aerodynamics). I drive mostly highways (use public transportation for the city), so that is a plus.

On the oil side (that is a oil forum after all), good surprise, Hyundai accepts 5W20, 5W30, or 5W40 on the full temperature scale, meaning that I will be able to use my stocked oil. Oil interval is quite short (5000kms initial and then 8000kms) but in the average range with Toyota for example.

As for winter rims, owners were able to use 17" rims so I will be able to save a bit on winter tires (mandatory here).

Overall, it should be as expensive as owning the Rogue (Insurance is about the same), with the RWD fun part as a bonus. That is not as good as going with a Fiesta or another small car, but we only have one life as some said in the Miata thread.

I will probably test drive one next week and report.

Thanks for the help.
 
WHY oh WHY would you even consider an 84 month car loan??? If you need 7 years to pay off a car maybe you need to go with something less expensive. The car will be worthless and probably falling apart at the 5 year mark.
 
A long car loan is bad. A modern Hyundai will still be kicking hard at 7 years of age. The 2003 Hyundais are still holding up just fine.
 
The 2.0T in the Genesis Coupe makes 228HP on premium. The advertised 210HP is on regular.

Well, if Wikipedia is to be believed anyways
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
WHY oh WHY would you even consider an 84 month car loan??? If you need 7 years to pay off a car maybe you need to go with something less expensive. The car will be worthless and probably falling apart at the 5 year mark.

I doubt the car will be falling apart in 5 years, but I don't understand the long loan period either. Do a shorter low interest loan and increase your downpayment until you get a low monthly payment. Can't afford a large downpayment? Then wait until you can. Being upside down on a car isn't fun if something happens to it...
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
A long car loan is bad. A modern Hyundai will still be kicking hard at 7 years of age. The 2003 Hyundais are still holding up just fine.


same here :) not a single trip to dealer other than oil changes etc. (wifey has a 2003 Elantra)
 
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