Colonial Pipeline stopping all operations due to cyberattack

[4WD]

O

Somebody dropped the ball.

Or bit the phisherman’s lure

 

[4WD]

There's been weird stuff including malware that made its way to LCD photo displays. Heck - decades ago I remember when there were viruses being transmitted slowly through sharing of floppies.

Oh yeah … and I used to love to keep data on a “brick” … but our notebook USB ports got blocked years ago over thumb drive security issues …

 

[Dave Hess]

It's not going to be impossible (via sea and rail), but by pipeline is clearly the cheapest way to deliver fuel and crude oil.

And safest.

Hopefully the company can resolve the problems.

 

[JohnnyG]

shutting down Colonial wouldn't kill all deliveries since there's sea or rail. Also - Kinder Morgan operates on the east coast.

What I'm saying is that you need to leave Rail , at least out of your statement. There is no infrastructure to load or unload those kinds of products on railcars. If there are, Colonial has become the ONLY system in use for decades (I helped schedule on it in 1999-2000). And after all that, there are very few tanker cars available. If all of that magically was able to fall into place, one rail car is 80,000 Gal. not Barrels, gallons.
Pretty much the same story with ocean going ships and barges. Yes, it can come from Aruba or Mexico as finished product, and maybe put on the line in NJ or the Gulf, but the pipeline still need to run. You just can't get product from the port to the point of use very easily at all.
I agree, there is some storage on hand, and I'm sure they will make the most of it, but another system cannot just step in and take over. Let's hope the shutdown is short lived.
As far as the internet goes, the systems don't normally use it as others have said. I've seen the "Dishes" pointed to the sky, which tells me there is likely satellite communication involved, or at least microwave towers.

 

[wpod]

No, not possible. Check the volumes these pipelines carry per DAY. Also several airports for customers. Anybody with a tanker truck fleet is in for some long hours.

The news is reporting possible shortages this summer because there is a shortage of drivers to deliver gas. The Drones are so easy to fool.

 

[y_p_w]

What I'm saying is that you need to leave Rail , at least out of your statement. There is no infrastructure to load or unload those kinds of products on railcars. If there are, Colonial has become the ONLY system in use for decades (I helped schedule on it in 1999-2000). And after all that, there are very few tanker cars available. If all of that magically was able to fall into place, one rail car is 80,000 Gal. not Barrels, gallons.
Pretty much the same story with ocean going ships and barges. Yes, it can come from Aruba or Mexico as finished product, and maybe put on the line in NJ or the Gulf, but the pipeline still need to run. You just can't get product from the port to the point of use very easily at all.
I agree, there is some storage on hand, and I'm sure they will make the most of it, but another system cannot just step in and take over. Let's hope the shutdown is short lived.
As far as the internet goes, the systems don't normally use it as others have said. I've seen the "Dishes" pointed to the sky, which tells me there is likely satellite communication involved, or at least microwave towers.
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How about Kinder Morgan/Plantation?

 

[OVERKILL]

O

Or bit the phisherman’s lure

Yup.

 

[Job]

What I'm saying is that you need to leave Rail , at least out of your statement. There is no infrastructure to load or unload those kinds of products on railcars. If there are, Colonial has become the ONLY system in use for decades (I helped schedule on it in 1999-2000). And after all that, there are very few tanker cars available. If all of that magically was able to fall into place, one rail car is 80,000 Gal. not Barrels, gallons.
Pretty much the same story with ocean going ships and barges. Yes, it can come from Aruba or Mexico as finished product, and maybe put on the line in NJ or the Gulf, but the pipeline still need to run. You just can't get product from the port to the point of use very easily at all.
I agree, there is some storage on hand, and I'm sure they will make the most of it, but another system cannot just step in and take over. Let's hope the shutdown is short lived.
As far as the internet goes, the systems don't normally use it as others have said. I've seen the "Dishes" pointed to the sky, which tells me there is likely satellite communication involved, or at least microwave towers.
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I read this statement from Colonial saying they took systems off line to protect the pipelines.
"In response, we proactively took certain systems offline to contain the threat, which has temporarily halted all pipeline operations, and affected some of our IT systems," the company said in a statement.

I think this is the pipeline that spilled 250,000 gallons of gasoline, disrupting supply and raising prices. That’s a lot of gas to spill. I thought these things never were supposed to happen, but in fact they do.

https://jalopnik.com/alabama-pipeline-spills-250-000-gallons-of-gasoline-1786743196

 

[JohnnyG]

I think this is the pipeline that spilled 250,000 gallons of gasoline, disrupting supply and raising prices. That’s a lot of gas to spill. I thought these things never were supposed to happen, but in fact they do.

Stuff happens. Do you have any idea how many fuel pipelines cross America? There was also a fire that threatened to damage that same pipeline, so they shut it down. Let's not lose focus here, this is an attack on America, and should be responded to in kind.

 

[PandaBear]

The news is reporting possible shortages this summer because there is a shortage of drivers to deliver gas. The Drones are so easy to fool.

People need to pump up oil price, didn't people remember last year we had a negative oil price?

So basically, any trivial matter means an excuse to cut production or transportation and make news to pump up oil price. Shortage of drivers? come on, there's only shortage if you don't pay them good. Many people are still working from home or has permanently moved to work from home, you think we will not have enough physical capability to move fuel around?

Oh, I remember hearing a joke once:

2 bank robbers robbed a bank, they counted and realized they have about 1M in cash total. Then they turn on the news and the new reported that the bank got robbed and lost 5M in cash. The bank robbers got robbed by the employees.

 

[JohnnyG]

Y'know, The Dept. of Trans suspending truck drivers log violations is still going to be a good thing. They may not need to deliver much gas if the line restarts, but there is going to be a PANTLOAD of transmix to haul back to the refineries!

 

[JustinH]

I've managed a bunch of SCADA systems at different facilities, and I haven't seen unpatched windows xp at a single one of them.

All are fully patched, with extensive group policy in place including disabling USB keys. On the network side there is much more security.

 

[Greasymechtech]

Ransomware attack is sad

How many employees check questionable emails? click links that they shouldn't be clicking? or using pathetic passwords? social media junkies?

Oh well, do most of my surfing on the web while at work. Stream many movies and all my shopping too. Corporation IT clowns really need to toughen up. But, work ethic is pathetic.

 

[JeffKeryk]

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Wait a minute... The pipeline... Elon (he's whack) on SNL...
You're telling me this is just a co-inky-dink?

 

[loneryder]

How about Kinder Morgan/Plantation?

Aren't they already at capacity?

 

[loneryder]

What I'm saying is that you need to leave Rail , at least out of your statement. There is no infrastructure to load or unload those kinds of products on railcars. If there are, Colonial has become the ONLY system in use for decades (I helped schedule on it in 1999-2000). And after all that, there are very few tanker cars available. If all of that magically was able to fall into place, one rail car is 80,000 Gal. not Barrels, gallons.
Pretty much the same story with ocean going ships and barges. Yes, it can come from Aruba or Mexico as finished product, and maybe put on the line in NJ or the Gulf, but the pipeline still need to run. You just can't get product from the port to the point of use very easily at all.
I agree, there is some storage on hand, and I'm sure they will make the most of it, but another system cannot just step in and take over. Let's hope the shutdown is short lived.
As far as the internet goes, the systems don't normally use it as others have said. I've seen the "Dishes" pointed to the sky, which tells me there is likely satellite communication involved, or at least microwave towers.
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Let's se....there's Atlanta, Charlotte, Dulles and BWI which are major airline Hubs that will not be receiving fuel. I hate the airlines so I don't care.

 

[MParr]

So, “they” are saying it’s Ransomware? An employee watching pornographic videos online? I have a hard time believing anything anymore. I have my theory however, posting it will surely shut down this thread.

 

[y_p_w]

Aren't they already at capacity?

Yes. However, that would mean there's still some fuel being delivered that's not coming via rail, tanker, or sea. Doesn't quite get all the way to the terminals in New Jersey that serve NYC though. I see Kinder Morgan has a terminal in Linden, NJ, but I don't believe it's serviced by a major pipeline.

Looks like they have a dedicated ethanol pipeline. I know most standard pipelines can't handle ethanol. The dedicated pipeline they mention is to the Citgo Tremley Point refinery just a mile away, although I'm not sure how it gets there since it's across a narrow body of water.

 

[miden851]

this evening at a local Costco

 

[RDY4WAR]