CM-6731-FL820 Pics. My new expensive filter!

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Sorry, but you'll have to wait until XXXXX miles for this to get cut open. That said, I'm not sure my pipe wrench will make it through this can...

Here's the Ford "Racing" Filter 820S

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Yep, looks like a filter box. Weird though, the 820S box is 3 years old, so I think it's the longer version. I'm guessing they didn't shorten the CM-6731

Here's the side-by-side comparison.

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And lastly, a close-up:

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General thoughts

-it was really expensive. $12.50 w/shipping. yikes!

-it's ridiculously heavy

-it has a cheezy paper decal on it (is that going to catch fire? should I peel that thing off???)

-the base appears to by 1 heavy machined piece. The holes are almost 3mm think in parts. The 820S is two pieces of stamped steel

-the threads appear to by cut to a way finer tolerance, and there are more of them, about 30% more

-sealing gasket is slightly larger and a different material (silicone). And it's blue!

-none of the above is likely to make a difference in my engine and driving habits...

I bought a case of 820S's 3 years ago and I was on my last one, so I wanted to try something new, just because. I saw the specs for this in another thread, and it offers both better filtration (99%@ 20u) and better flow (flow chart is this thread). It has over twice the media area, so since it also flows better I can only assume it's a thinner, higher-quality media. It has (slightly) higher capacity at 11 gms, but with the increased efficiency I'm guessing the capacity will be the same as the 820S. Maybe??

I'm still undecided as to how long to leave this guy on, but I'm thinking that with 22-24K miles of driving planned over the next year, I'll just do 2 OCI's and change the filter each time. There are lots of hwy miles, not much stop and start and the Duratec is easy on oil. My other option is 7-8K OCI's and using the filter for 2 runs.

Anyway, I don't think I'm headed out to the track with the Freestyle any time soon, but I figured I'd post some pics for those who may be interested in the filter. It's a really well-constructed oil filter, that's for sure. Yeah, it's ridiculously expensive and it's way past the law of diminishing returns for a filter, but I'll feel better knowing the best possible filter available is on my car. For all of the money I save by DIY all of my own maintenance, I figure it's OK to splurge a little.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
It has over twice the media area, so since it also flows better I can only assume it's a thinner, higher-quality media. It has (slightly) higher capacity at 11 gms, but with the increased efficiency I'm guessing the capacity will be the same as the 820S. Maybe??

I'm still undecided as to how long to leave this guy on, but I'm thinking that with 22-24K miles of driving planned over the next year, I'll just do 2 OCI's and change the filter each time. There are lots of hwy miles, not much stop and start and the Duratec is easy on oil. My other option is 7-8K OCI's and using the filter for 2 runs.

I would do 2 OCI's with synthetic and change the filter on second change, because highway miles is very easy on oil and oil filter.

My 17 years old +250k miles LS400 had the cheapo filter Proline for 2 conventional oil changes or 1 syn oil change a year without any problems.
 
It's 99%@ 20u versus 80%@ 20u. While that seems like an incredible difference, it's more than twice the surface area of media, so I guess it's not surprising.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR

I would do 2 OCI's with synthetic and change the filter on second change, because highway miles is very easy on oil and oil filter.

My 17 years old +250k miles LS400 had the cheapo filter Proline for 2 conventional oil changes or 1 syn oil change a year without any problems.


Well, I guess the question is "how long can I run this filter".

I'm certainly not averse to using the filter twice, or even changing the filter independently. I don't even need to raise the car or get dirty to change the filter or the oil. Before having a car with a warranty, I never changed the filter every OCI. But I never ran over 5-6K OCI's, either.

I'm using PP for the foreseeable future, because I have a lot of it from the sale/rebate days. Is 20-25K too long for this filter? Basically, I'm torn between filter and oil every 12K or oil every 7-8K, filter every other change. The most convenient thing though would be oil every 12K, filter every other change--IF the filter could go that long.

I'm almost hesitant to ask, though. Seems like filter loading and flow are rather, ummm, contentious topics
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It has (slightly) higher capacity at 11 gms, but with the increased efficiency I'm guessing the capacity will be the same as the 820S. Maybe??


That's how I'd reason it. It would allow conforming to the OEM recommendations for time/mileage. Collects more stuff ..gets more storage capacity.
 
Thanks for sharing!
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I'm looking to try this myself, but the only Ford dealer we have does not import it...majority here being cheapskates just won't pay the price. Looking to order a box of 12 online at some point. Did you happen to purchase just the one, or have you made a bulk order?
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Thanks for sharing!
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I'm looking to try this myself, but the only Ford dealer we have does not import it...majority here being cheapskates just won't pay the price. Looking to order a box of 12 online at some point. Did you happen to purchase just the one, or have you made a bulk order?


I bought two, from Roush Yates, $12.33. They offer free shipping (to US), so there was no incentive to buy a bunch. That said, I'll probably by 6 to have on hand and be done with it.

In your case though, I imagine it would pay to have them all shipped at once.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

That's how I'd reason it. It would allow conforming to the OEM recommendations for time/mileage. Collects more stuff ..gets more storage capacity.


Yep. According to Ford, it's an approved replacement so at a minimum it would be acceptable for their approved OCI, which is (I think) 7.5K mi. The question is, how much longer can it go?

It's funny, Honda's recommendation is 20K for filter half this size, so I'm not sure why I'm even worried about it...
 
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The question is, how much longer can it go?


I'd figure their fudge factor to be on the conservative side on the filter. Those they make money on under the aftermarket label. It should be as good as any other filter. It's just that terms and conditions apply. You gotta figure that most of the non-OEM retail filters have to factor for how people think.

You'll note that the most frequent question asked in this section is "Will this filter last xxk miles" ..without qualifying how the mileage is accumulated. That why (an opinion) I feel that Puro and all the other "higher mileage" filters have additional holding capacity. Not so much for the finer numbers that they claim (though that would be part of it) ..but more to account for how people think. 10k is 10k, right?
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Originally Posted By: JOD
I saw the specs for this in another thread, and it offers both better filtration (99%@ 20u) and better flow (flow chart is this thread). It has over twice the media area, so since it also flows better I can only assume it's a thinner, higher-quality media.


Based on the spec sheet and flow graph it looks like a pretty high end filter ... even for $12.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD

Well, I guess the question is "how long can I run this filter".

I'm using PP for the foreseeable future, because I have a lot of it from the sale/rebate days. Is 20-25K too long for this filter? Basically, I'm torn between filter and oil every 12K or oil every 7-8K, filter every other change. The most convenient thing though would be oil every 12K, filter every other change--IF the filter could go that long.

I'm almost hesitant to ask, though. Seems like filter loading and flow are rather, ummm, contentious topics
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I would try 12-13k OCI with PP and this new filter, then cut open the filter to exam the filter after 12k miles to see if you can extend the next filter to 24-25k miles.

I have regular cartridge filter in my E430, the OCI was 12-13k/12mos. When I remove the old filter from the filter housing I took a close look at the filter media, it looked like it can be used for another OCI but I had many filters in my stash so that I just changed it as recommended in the manual. I may reuse that filter on the next oil change and remove the filter housing every 3-4 months to check the condition. Since the filter housing is on top of the engine, it can be removed to have a look and reinstall without a drop of oil drips on the engine.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
It's 99%@ 20u versus 80%@ 20u. While that seems like an incredible difference, it's more than twice the surface area of media, so I guess it's not surprising.


Motorcraft FL820s is 92% @ 20u based on Purolator multipass tests.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD
It's 99%@ 20u versus 80%@ 20u. While that seems like an incredible difference, it's more than twice the surface area of media, so I guess it's not surprising.


Source?
 
Originally Posted By: Izb
Thank you!
Excellent filtration efficiency, but poor capacity.


Racing filters aren't meant for long OCIs.
 
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: JOD
It's 99%@ 20u versus 80%@ 20u.
The AMSOIL filter study showed the Motorcraft FL820S is actually 93.7%

True that, but up until 2011 when the Amsoil test was done, the only published Motorcraft spec was the 80%@20um posted by the OP, which in this thread resurrection was 2010. Iirc, the OP posted he is now running the less expensive FL820S because of the Amsoil test.

Also I don't consider 11g to be a particularly poor rated holding capacity. As compared to the extended oci filters yes, but not relative to standard oci filters. And while this is called a "racing" filter, unlike this filter, true racing filters are in my understanding closer to sieves.
 
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