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Based on reports from Europe: horrific assembly, stinking plastic, issues in cold weather etc.
Chinese EV models
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Tuesday will be interesting to see the scope of this new planned tariff. Will EVs assembled in Mexico be affected?
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/biden-set-to-levy-100-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-this-week/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/biden-set-to-levy-100-tariffs-on-chinese-evs-this-week/
Agree … impossible to figure out in the mist of all the media hype. Hope it doesn’t cost us too much money though.
Either we buy cheap Chinese EVs or more expensive US EVs subsidized with taxpayer $7,500
is one possiblity. Too soon to speculate, could be all talk.I suspect the new Chinese built Volvo will escape any tariffs as they also produce cars in SC
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It just happened, LOL!
...and yeah, Volvo may build cars in the US, but with US costs they ain't gonna be cheap as chips.
Cool! Thank god EV prices will stay high.
It just proves it’s not about the environment.
Not that any of this will matter because the Chinese don’t send cars here anyway and this will ensure Americans continue to pay high prices.
Not sure if this will affect Volvo… Volvo is working on it.
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More like thank God that China will not be allowed to dump product in the US to the detriment of all of us.
Why did you quote yourself to repeat your post?
China is gutting itself from the top down removing the competent entities that interface in matters of trade, production, shipping and oversight.
This has been done sequentially since about 2018, it’s so bad that hardware and components we need continue to buy since we lack online domestic production may never get produced because there really isn’t anyone on the other end.
We might have to figure out how to make substation components that all tooling has been outsourced for decades ago, they aren’t that complex but with no tooling producing to a price on a timeline becomes impossible
Chinas people are likely completely screwed because they have flipped from moderately hard nosed and competent to nobody in the office to manage and fullfill orders.
Huh?
I edited my post but hit the reply button by mistake and deleted it right away... I assume that is what you are talking about? Where you see the "deleted"?
China does have the second largest economy in the world but China also has this weird mix of communist central planning and capitalism. Between the two, it has made a horrible mess of its residential housing market, with many unfinished projects for which people have paid good money deeply under water with no completion ever coming.
It may be that the central planners have decided that supplying some Western needs in which they've become dominant is no longer worth pursuing, so those orders just get ghosted.
China seems to have no trouble producing large volumes of almost developed world level military kit.
It would be great to increase the tariffs on all electronics from China to 100% That will go over well with the American people too.
Actually the auto tariff is pointless at this point since there are no Chinese cars here. It's good we subsidize American EVs with $7,500 though. Right?
But we wont allow Chinese cars sold here with no US $7,500 cost to the US taxpayer as tax credit.
Doesnt make a lot of sense to the taxpayer.
It's all good, just discussing, this is just election year grandstanding that could cold cost the taxpayer plenty one day.
I suspect that they can open plants here or penalize Tesla over there in some way too. It is interesting and not taking a position other than I dont want it to cost me. *LOL* Which the "green" movement already does.
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Yeah, I see that you corrected your error.
It wouldn't go over well with the vast majority of American people for sure, but here's something that might make a few more of them happy in your example. Increase the tariffs on all electronics from China to 100%, and drop the $7,500 EV subsidy. That would make several people I know a bit happier if that went down. Let the EV succeed or fail on its own merits, w/o taxpayer help.It would be great to increase the tariffs on all electronics from China to 100% That will go over well with the American people too.
Actually the auto tariff is pointless at this point since there are no Chinese cars here. It's good we subsidize American EVs with $7,500 though. Right?
But we wont allow Chinese cars sold here with no US $7,500 cost to the US taxpayer as tax credit.
Doesnt make a lot of sense to the taxpayer.
The tariffs are already slated higher, the trouble is twofoldIt wouldn't go over well with the vast majority of American people for sure, but here's something that might make a few more of them happy in your example. Increase the tariffs on all electronics from China to 100%, and drop the $7,500 EV subsidy. That would make several people I know a bit happier if that went down. Let the EV succeed or fail on its own merits, w/o taxpayer help.
1. We lack infrastructure for many things including non-EV components that keep things as inane as our power grid functioning
2. China has been wierd for 4 years as their working population decreases and much of their production capabilities across the board have been eliminated due to obscure internal infighting.
Chinas current inability to produce millions of sub components will expand all manner of market failures worldwide from tires to o-rings to transformers to capacitors.
If you thought we had part shortages before you haven’t seen anything yet. Anything that’s not vertically integrated is going to suffer
I agree for the most part, as always time will tell. First and foremost imo is ditch the $7,500 taxpayer funded incentive, that would be a good place to start, and keep the EVs from China out of here while we dial in the tariffs. Don't forget China needs us too.
@fdcg27
As my previous I think it’s only a matter of time … I just saw this today.
If push comes to shove what American will care in a place that even the world stage sees as a renegade republic that many decades ago thought they would actually return to the mainland and control it.
Just discussing I find the history very interesting which I only learned more researching because of this thread
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/22/asia/china-military-drills-taiwan-punishment-intl-hnk/index.html
As my previous I think it’s only a matter of time … I just saw this today.
If push comes to shove what American will care in a place that even the world stage sees as a renegade republic that many decades ago thought they would actually return to the mainland and control it.
Just discussing I find the history very interesting which I only learned more researching because of this thread
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/22/asia/china-military-drills-taiwan-punishment-intl-hnk/index.html
"Britain, too, will have to follow suit or become the market of last resort for over-indebted Chinese companies desperately seeking a foreign outlet for excess goods that they cannot sell into their own depressed economy, a fate that would annihilate the UK’s manufacturing base within a decade. We are beyond the point of theoretical discussions about the merits of free trade."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/europe-must-defend-itself-crushed-070000224.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/europe-must-defend-itself-crushed-070000224.html
Let keep cheering Chinese built junk.
Sure, but the whole process is being strictly monitored by Apple.
These junk cars have no such oversight. They’re built to the same quality as the tofu dreg ghost cities.
Where else have you heard of 10 dealerships from ONE brand going up in flames because of their product?
And this is the good old communists tactics, the stuff that we get to hear about is just the tip of the iceberg.