Changing oil & ramps

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Originally Posted By: paulri
I’ve been on BITOG too long. I now want to change my oil.

I see many advocate using ramps. Any downside to that? I think this might make it easier to reach stuff when I need to tighten/twist, which IIRC was why I stopped changing it myself many moons ago. I have not tried on either of my two current vehicles yet.

FWIW, I would be doing this on a flat gravel driveway, although I’d obviously clear away the rock for doing this. Garage is storage at this point. The chance of me owning anything heavier than a Sienna is incredibly unlikely, so I don’t think I’d need anything more heavy duty than what I linked to, below.

I found this online: http://www.autozone.com/engine-and-vehicle-lift/ramp/hopkins-12000-lbs-rhinoramps-max/89618_0_0/

http://www.walmart.com/ip/RhinoRamps-Black/19526658?reviews_limit=10&

Walmart has ramps for $8 less. If the difference in quality would matter, I would have no problem buying the AZ ramps but of course if I can save 8 bucks I’d like to.

Finally, I assume I’d also need a wrench. These tools look pretty simple, under $10 at AZ. Are there any brands that folks would recommend I avoid? Any that are better than the others? Or do you folks twist them on/off by hand only?

I have some time to get this organized. I just changed the oil in both, within the last month. I just want to know what to look for, in case I see something on sale.


If you can get under the vehicle by sucking in your gut, thats the best answer, no ramps.

As far as a wrench goes, I assume you mean filter wrench. There are different sizes and styles. I use a strap wrench for one vehicle and a cap wrench for the other. You need to look at the position of the filter and the access around it. Can you turn a strap wrench or is there something in the way? There are cap wrenches that exactly fit the flutes and then there are adjustable cap wrenches with jaws.

Been changing my oil since around 1970 and over the years I have accumulated a pile of wrenches.

If the filter is not too hot, I give it a try by hand to see if I still got my superman strength. It does work sometimes.

Lastly make sure your actually UNscrewing the filter.
 
Originally Posted By: pandus13
add/build at least a pair of wheels chokes!


Forgot to mention that. Those will be purchased.
 
I bought plastic ramps, but noticed in the reviews for many of those that were hollow and stacked for storage that people said they collapsed under modest loads. Mine are of honeycomb construction and are a pain to store since they don't stack, but that is not too big a deal.
One "issue" with ramps is that you have to take a bit of care to get up on them properly...don't expect that I will ever have a problem, but you need to line them up well and have a little touch on the pedal when driving up. I'm sure there are some good YouTube videos of people screwing up with them!
 
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One "issue" with ramps is that you have to take a bit of care to get up on them properly...don't expect that I will ever have a problem, but you need to line them up well and have a little touch on the pedal when driving up. I'm sure there are some good YouTube videos of people screwing up with them!

For some reason it seems easier to ease up the ramps if you put the transmission in low (1) with an automatic. You would think that set to D it would be in low automatically, but it seems to take a much gentler touch on the throttle to get up the ramps unless I set the shifter to low.
 
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For some reason it seems easier to ease up the ramps if you put the transmission in low (1) with an automatic. You would think that set to D it would be in low automatically, but it seems to take a much gentler touch on the throttle to get up the ramps unless I set the shifter to low.


Hmmm...I have a CVT with a paddle shift option. Would probably make sense for me to put it in paddle shifter mode, 1st gear for easing up the ramps...thanks for the tip!
 
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
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One "issue" with ramps is that you have to take a bit of care to get up on them properly...don't expect that I will ever have a problem, but you need to line them up well and have a little touch on the pedal when driving up. I'm sure there are some good YouTube videos of people screwing up with them!

For some reason it seems easier to ease up the ramps if you put the transmission in low (1) with an automatic. You would think that set to D it would be in low automatically, but it seems to take a much gentler touch on the throttle to get up the ramps unless I set the shifter to low.


Helpful info.
 
I have been using the same metal ramps for 25 years and inherited a set of plastic (honeycomb type) set a few years ago. Both work great for changing oil or doing work on my 6000+lb F150 or 4600lb sienna. The key is to jam them right up to the tire, drive up on them and then make sure the vehicle settles into the dip and will stay there in neutral with your foot off the brake. If it stays on the ramp without any brakes or engine force, it will be perfectly secure once you engage the parking brake and put it in park. I use jack and stands if I need to remove a wheel, but ramps if the wheels stay on.
 
Bought the 12K Rhino Ramps last year from AutoZone when there were offering them for $31...or maybe I had a $10 coupon which they give out quite readily. They have worked fine with my 2002 Lincoln. And I can reach the drain plug without getting very far under the car. Still, I put the jack stands just under the frame for extra insurance.

Don't need a filter wrench if you are just putting the filter on hand tight (no more than 3/4 turn once contact is made). I own a couple strap wrenches but haven't used them for years as I no longer put them on too tight.
 
I used to have some 4x4 blocks that I'd put the focus on. It's just not geared to climb ramps or blocks (even with a wedge) so it gets jacked up and put on a jack stand along with the blocks under the "frame".

The jeep ... well, that's tall enough that I can just change without a ramp
 
Originally Posted By: paulri
I’ve been on BITOG too long. I now want to change my oil...


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That's the whole point of being here, now you WANT to change your oil yourself! Yeah!

On a more serious note - depending on where the drain plug on the oil pan is be careful having the car at an angle, either with ramps or jack stands. You may not be getting all the old oil out.
 
Originally Posted By: paulri
Originally Posted By: pandus13
add/build at least a pair of wheels chokes!


Forgot to mention that. Those will be purchased.

What are "chokes" ?
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Originally Posted By: Malo83
Originally Posted By: paulri
Originally Posted By: pandus13
add/build at least a pair of wheels chokes!


Forgot to mention that. Those will be purchased.

What are "chokes" ?
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When your tires try to move away, they wrap their hands around the tires and convince them to stay.
 
In case anyone is researching this, if you buy the Rhino ramps, be sure not to use them on rock/gravel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz5aaKltbFg

Kind of expensive for one use. In the comments the guy said his metal ramps had no problem with it, but you need to use Rhino ramps on flat concrete.
 
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Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
On a more serious note - depending on where the drain plug on the oil pan is be careful having the car at an angle, either with ramps or jack stands. You may not be getting all the old oil out.


Just verified that when the front wheels are up on both vehicles, the drain plug will actually be turned a bit more downward than they were when level. So at least for my cars, putting them on ramps will help that out.
 
Originally Posted By: cjcride
Originally Posted By: cmhj
A couple 2X8s screwed together with one end being staggered for an approach works here.

My first ramps were wood DIY, still have them though the Rhino are the go-to ramps now.
I like your stagger idea for the wood as they sometimes slide on the concrete floor.


Since you've used both---is there any difference between the two (results, performance wise)? Are the rhino ramps easier to work with, or safer? Gotta think that might be a factor.
 
Between my dad, brother and me, we have 4 ea rhino ramps, 4ea Jack stands, I low pro HD floor Jack, and 2 regular floor jacks. I now do the OCI for my parents car and my brother now takes his vehicles to a local Firestone so I have all the equipment. I Jack up the front, rest the wheels on the ramps and throw the Jack stands under the frame just in case. I'm anal bout that cause I lost a cousin when his old Porsche fell on him when his Jack failed, he did not use stands or ramps. He was home alone in the garage, his wife came home and found him...done. This was like 25 yrs ago.
 
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....Just verified that when the front wheels are up on both vehicles, the drain plug will actually be turned a bit more downward than they were when level.....

In my experience in passenger cars/vehicles,(eg. Honda, Nissan, some others) this has been the case. I actually looked online at your Sienna application noting it to be to the rear of the sump when I first replied.

One other thing, in my experience front wheel drive easier to get up on the ramps than rear wheel drive, less chance of sliding. So, good in your application. For rear wheel, I just used them outside for the oc where the concrete is rougher surfaced, worked fine. The rubber knob on the front bottom of the Rhinos does help the grip.

As for wrench and looking at cars in signature, I'd recommend the AZ OEM Brand cam type cap wrench linked below. According to specs should fit both your vehicle's filters. The Sienna 3614 application will be at the max opening spec for the wrench so while in AZ you should confirm that it will fit the filter. It's similar to the Lisle cam cap wrench sold on Amazon, but less expensive.

http://www.autozone.com/shop-and-garage-.../?checkfit=true
 
I'm thinking about getting a length of 2x12 cutting it on a 45* angle at one end, and making a stop at the other end to place the Rhino ramps on. I want to gain a bit more height for rustproofing and transmission pan drops. Has anyone done this?
 
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