Changed my Spark plugs today

Been changing plugs since the 1970s, never messed up a head.

But I follow manufacturer recommendations.

I don’t consider myself “so good” that I am “better than” the book, making up my own stuff, and recommending that to other people.
 
Why did you use anti-seize?

NGK Spark Plugs does not recommend using anti-seize on their spark plugs, as their trivalent plating provides corrosion resistance and acts as a lubricant. Using anti-seize can alter the correct torque values, potentially leading to over-tightening, and can damage the spark plug or the cylinder head.

it stops crud from combustion creeping up the threads, see the plugs he took out.
 
Just being careful. Never knew they didn't recommend it. I don't use torque specs for most things. I just snug things down.
Well, you dodge that one, :) since you don't have compression washers. With compression washers, it is smart to use a torque wrench. On the Kona forums Bosch denied a new $10,000 motor to guy who stuck Bosch (should of been NGK or Denso in my book) because the compression washers where not fully compressed and the electrode/porcelain dropped in the cylinder during use. Even though he said he torqued them. We don't know if they would of warranted it even if they were crushed correctly. Just saying.
 
Well, you dodge that one, :) since you don't have compression washers. With compression washers, it is smart to use a torque wrench. On the Kona forums Bosch denied a new $10,000 motor to guy who stuck Bosch (should of been NGK or Denso in my book) because the compression washers where not fully compressed and the electrode/porcelain dropped in the cylinder during use. Even though he said he torqued them. We don't know if they would of warranted it even if they were crushed correctly. Just saying.

he might have torqued them, the torque value doesn't care if the thread is dirty or not. If they were over torqued, the washer would be crushed anyway.
 
Astro, I am not recommending people not to torque their plugs. I never said that in my posts. Yes, they should be torqued, I know that. Been at this game a long time with plugs and I developed a feel when the washer is crushed enough. This only applies to ME. I'm sure there are plenty of shade tree mechanics that don't torque plugs out there, and I'm one of them. I am not better than the books. So, lets please just end this back and forth. Thank you.
 
13.00 at Auto one. Would have been cheaper at Rockauto but didn't want to wait.

So, you -
1. Bend the electrode
2. Use anti seize

3. Don’t torque them

That about right?

When the plug manufacturer says:
1. Don’t adjust the gap
2. Don’t use antiseize
3. Torque to proper spec

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My plugs were factory gapped at 44. I needed 52. They aren't always the correct gap from the manufacturer.
 
I've had Iridiums that were far from the correct gap, and the vehicles came with OEM Iridium, which I always put back. Maybe they got damaged during shipping or whatever, or weren't gapped vehicle specific in the first place. So, I gap them vehicle specific and use a dab of anti-seize. No torque wrench. Been changing plugs since the 70's and never messed up a head. Tomato / Tomatto

I do exactly the same, except the gapping. I trust NGK about the pre-gap and also the 3/4 turn after the plug gasket touches the cyl. head or whatever is indicated on the original paper box.
I use a bit of anti-seise too, per recommendation by my mechanic.
 
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Thank you ZZman. Have the same issue with any Iridium plug I use. The gap needs to be checked and adjusted if needed, for the specific engine requirement. I read somewhere that the manufacturer does not want you to gap them due to gapping them the old way, using the center electrode to widen the gap, as in a copper plug. If you do that, you will damage the electrode since Iridium is very brittle.
 
The most difficult plugs I have ever removed, ever, were on my 2004 Volvo V 70 R. OEM Volvo, a unique plug for that cylinder head. Whoever installed them, roughly 30,000 miles prior, had used antiseize. The regular aluminum anti seize.

The anti-seize had turned into almost locking compound under the heat of being run in the engine.

They were extraordinarily difficult to get out, I had to work them back-and-forth, and I used penetrating oil and let them soak overnight once they were loose.

Still, they were difficult to get out. The torque was at least three times what it would normally take to break a plug loose.

While the car was sitting in the shop overnight, with the penetrating oil, I was online, shopping time-serts that would fit in Volvo cylinder head. They were that bad. I thought I was bringing the cylinder head threads out with them.

Maybe they used way too much, I don’t know, but I do know that antiseize in this case was a detriment. I’ve pulled a lot of plugs out of a lot of aluminum cylinder, heads, and this set was by far the worst, and I ended up having to chase the threads once they were out.

So, no, I’m not necessarily a fan of anti seize. If the manufacturer recommends it, I’ll use it, but on spark plugs, I tend to use copper, or nickel, and never the cheap aluminum stuff.

I have checked the gap on every Iridium plug I’ve ever installed. They’ve always been spot on. I have to wonder if that’s because folks are using aftermarket plugs on some applications. I don’t know. I’ve never had to adjust the gap on Iridium plugs on a Mercedes, Volvo, or Toyota.

I’ve had to do a lot of gaps on the old style plugs. But those were copper core, regular plugs. In the days of 302 Ford, V8, or 400 small block Chevys, yeah, sometimes they came out of the box and needed to be tweaked, but it’s been a long time since I’ve had to adjust a spark plug gap.

NGK makes the spark plugs for both of my V-12 Mercedes. At 2 plugs per cylinder, with 12 cylinders, that is 24 spark plugs when you do a change on just one of those cars. That’s a lot of plugs, and they’re not cheap.

With the expense of the job, and the several hours of labor to get the coils and intercoolers off, you can bet I am following manufacturer directions to the letter. And I’m using a good quality torque wrench to ensure that every one of those 24 spark plugs is properly, consistently, torqued.
 
I've been wrenching on cars since,,, well, way back. I've always used a tiny dab of anti-seize on the plugs. But, I use a clean paper towel to force the stuff into the grooves so that you can barely see the stuff.
 
Why did you use anti-seize?

NGK Spark Plugs does not recommend using anti-seize on their spark plugs, as their trivalent plating provides corrosion resistance and acts as a lubricant. Using anti-seize can alter the correct torque values, potentially leading to over-tightening, and can damage the spark plug or the cylinder head.
. 💯👍. Spark plugs get installed dry on everything made in the last 30 years. Anti seize can cause misfires and can actually make removal harder.
 
I've been working on cars for over 40 years and have never used anti-seize on spark plug threads and I've only had one plug that didn't want to come out and that was because my fiancé overheated the engine at some point prior and it was an aluminum head. I had installed the plugs some years prior to her overheating the engine.

That plug did snap off and it took a lot of work to get the remains out without pulling the head but I got it done and she drove the car several more years before the transmission went out.
 
I've gone with and without but landed on without based on guidance from some technicians. I use a dollop of dielectric grease in the coil pack boots.
 
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