Castrol Edge Extended Performance now 20k Guaranteed

[2K2AcuraTL]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
I haven't brought myself to use Castrol oil since they won the lawsuit Mobil brought upon them in the '90's. Made the word "Synthetic" meaningless. Flame suit on.

There was no lawsuit. Does that make it better?


Are you sure..??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASynthetic_oil

I will draw my own conclusions..

I dont do castrol either... less then ideal performance with their syth ATF my TL was screaming.. couldnt get it out fast enough.. otherwise IMO they are overpriced, unless you get get a 50% off at Cdn Tire..
my 2c
J

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by dailydriver
I'm still waiting for them to release a D1G2 version of their Edge EP 'gold bottle' in various weights (like other companies were quite able/capable of doing).

Still no PUP d1g2 either.
Castrol Edge EP is dexos1 Gen2 now, in 5w30 at least. Not in the other weights though... ... As for PUP, well, Pennzoil doesn't seem to care about dexos1 for that, as they're happy with it being for SRT Dodge & Indy cars (0w40), and the non-GM SN market, practically a boutique oil now its so hard to find.


Yeah, I was looking for it in the 0W/5W-20 weights.

 

[Gokhan]

The disclaimer on the Castrol Edge Extended Performance bottle reads, "If your vehicle is under warranty, follow the oil-change interval recommended by your manufacturer."

As someone pointed here in the past, this explains the difference between Castrol Edge, Castrol Edge EP, and other Castrol Edge flavors:

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
The disclaimer on the Castrol Edge Extended Performance bottle reads, "If your vehicle is under warranty, follow the oil-change interval recommended by your manufacturer."

True, and I made a similar point above. Taking a marketing look at this, what they're doing is creating a "20k-Capable" product, plainly stated on the label, thats the best product they have. Someone shopping for oil for a vehicle that is expensive or the owner cares about, want the best they can do, even when they won't do the full 20k interval.

 

[earthbound]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Anyone can put an arbitrary number on a bottle. It's called MARKETING. Every car, engine, situation, etc. is different. The same oil has a wide range of service lives depending on the engine, driver, location, fuel, and many other factors.

Yeah run it for 20K in a Honda 1.5T in northern climates.

yep, I feel on edge (no pun) about running anything in mine past 2k in the winter..

 

[buster]

I emailed Castrol UK to see if they can provide a PDS for this new oil being Castrol USA, as usual, is clueless. The rep didn't even know it was out or what I was referring to. I get that probably only 1% of the population (BITOG) actually looks at PDS information but they can do better.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by 2K2AcuraTL
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
I haven't brought myself to use Castrol oil since they won the lawsuit Mobil brought upon them in the '90's. Made the word "Synthetic" meaningless. Flame suit on.

There was no lawsuit. Does that make it better?


Are you sure..??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASynthetic_oil

I will draw my own conclusions.


Discussion about the court case here

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-court-case-how-it-went-down#Post4969025

Entitled to your own conclusions just not your own facts.

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
I haven't brought myself to use Castrol oil since they won the lawsuit Mobil brought upon them in the '90's. Made the word "Synthetic" meaningless. Flame suit on.

There was no lawsuit. Does that make it better?


Well, that's a bit hyper-technical. There was an administrative action, and whether or not the results were ever formalized with a "judgment," that dispute did come awfully close to gutting most of the meaning from the term "synthetic" in this context (motor oil). That said, I see both sides of the question, but (and it's just my opinion) I also didn't care for the position Castrol took. I have, however, bought some of their products since, particularly the outstanding "German Castrol" 0w-30 (the strangely green stuff) back in the early - mid 2000s. I just realize that, as with any transaction, the good-old "buyer beware" principle always applies, and I make decisions based upon much more than just whether a label says "synthetic" or "full snythetic" or whatever.

 

[Gokhan]

If only they knew about the BOQI then.

Mobil 1 AFE 0W-20 BOQI = 84
Castrol Edge 0W-20 BOQI = 50

Mobil 1 5W-30 BOQI = 50
Castrol Edge 5W-30 BOQI = 33
Kangaroo Express Motor Oil 5W-30 (conventional) BOQI = 29

So, nope, not all "synthetics" are equal.

 

[Hounds]

Originally Posted by Shannow
. . . Discussion about the court case here

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-court-case-how-it-went-down#Post4969025

. . .

Not to belabor the point, but the "litigation" in this "case" was never heard or conducted before a court of law in the United States, nor was the "opinion" one of an administrative law judge. This matter is often discussed as if it were a "court case," but in fact it was only a decision by the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus. In the United States, the BBB is a private, non-governmental, non-profit entity. BBB "decisions" may be, and often are, persuasive in commercial matters, and in this instance influenced Castrol's advertising going forward, but either Mobil or Castrol could have ignored the BBB opinion and proceeded on to actually litigate the matter before a court of law.

 

[buster]

Quote
As we upgraded formulations to API SN PLUS and retested the product, we found that Castrol EDGE Extended Performance is able to go for a longer drain of 20,000 miles or a full year (whichever comes first).

The new formulation is superior in that it has a high level of Titanium vs the older formulation. The patented Fluid Titanium in Castrol EDGE Extended Performance transforms under pressure to fight friction. The tests depicted on our website illustrate this. In addition, Castrol EDGE Extended Performance reduces friction 38% better than M1 Annual Protection (also claiming an extended drain of 20,000 miles).

It was tested in the F150 under extreme conditions and was found to be able to stay in grade for the entire interval.

The PDS is currently being upgraded to reflect the new claims but will be available shortly.

 

[buster]

"Dr Rebecca Yates continues: "This formulation is rooted in tribology. From the additives that we have selected, to the creation of Fluid TITANIUM Technology and the robust testing process that this product has been through, high-pressure chemistry is at its core. Castrol EDGE with Fluid TITANIUM Technology can confidently say that it reduces performance robbing friction by up to 20 per cent, the greatest advancement of anti-friction lubricant currently in the market."

Interesting claims by Castrol:

6x stronger in Seq IVA
10x stronger in high temp oil thickening in Seq IIIH

 

[Blagoje]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by Gokhan
The disclaimer on the Castrol Edge Extended Performance bottle reads, "If your vehicle is under warranty, follow the oil-change interval recommended by your manufacturer."

True, and I made a similar point above. Taking a marketing look at this, what they're doing is creating a "20k-Capable" product, plainly stated on the label, thats the best product they have. Someone shopping for oil for a vehicle that is expensive or the owner cares about, want the best they can do, even when they won't do the full 20k interval.



This is precisely how I think when I buy Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, I don't care about the 15,000 mile claim but rather about that IMO it is the best 0w-20 oil that Mobil produces for the price. I don't intend to drive more than half of the 15,000 miles on an OCI in the vehicles I would use it in.

I would just as soon have the EP stand for Extra Protection or perhaps Extra PAO because Extended Performance does not appeal to me whatsoever.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

My last UOA using Castrol EP would indicate to me as easy as my Corolla is on oil it would be touch and go to make 20K miles.
At 7156 miles the TBN was 3.2

 

[ARB1977]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Anyone can put an arbitrary number on a bottle. It's called MARKETING. Every car, engine, situation, etc. is different. The same oil has a wide range of service lives depending on the engine, driver, location, fuel, and many other factors.

Yeah run it for 20K in a Honda 1.5T in northern climates.

[censored] I wouldn't run it in the southern states. Our 18 CRV was seeing dilution issues at the 20K mark. Traded it in for a 19 Pilot. I run Amsoil and wouldn't run it that long.

 

[avi1777]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
News I see is the Castrol Edge Extended Performance 5w30 is now dexos1 Gen2. Yet all the other grades are not. You'd think if they all were good for 20k oil change intervals, they would all be dexos1 Gen2, which is higher performance standard than SN+, Ford specs, etc.

so whats the highest spec today?is it the mb229.51,the porche,or somting else?
tnx

 

[buster]

I like running the extended drain oils (M1 EP/AP/Edge etc.) for a few reasons. The first reason is I trust that the oil was thoroughly tested and can hold up to oxidation well. Making a long drain claim signifies quality to me. If for some reason I can't do an oil change (winter for example), I like knowing I don't have to worry much about it. I'd never go the full distance claimed by the oil maker though. Even your top tier extended drain oils are not expensive. You're paying roughly $30 for 5qts for at least a good 6 months. Cars/engines are expensive, oil is not.

Mobil has done an outstanding job testing their EP and AP products. From videos to tear downs etc....no one has done a better job, IMO, at demonstrating the testing that goes on with their oil.

 

[DirectRejection]

Originally Posted by buster
I like running the extended drain oils (M1 EP/AP/Edge etc.) for a few reasons. The first reason is I trust that the oil was thoroughly tested and can hold up to oxidation well. Making a long drain claim signifies quality to me. If for some reason I can't do an oil change (winter for example), I like knowing I don't have to worry much about it. I'd never go the full distance claimed by the oil maker though. Even your top tier extended drain oils are not expensive. You're paying roughly $30 for 5qts for at least a good 6 months. Cars/engines are expensive, oil is not.

Mobil has done an outstanding job testing their EP and AP products. From videos to tear downs etc....no one has done a better job, IMO, at demonstrating the testing that goes on with their oil.


Regarding the behavior of motor oil during extended OCI's, I have found, from personal experience, that oxidative thickening that is counterproductive occurs somewhere between 17k miles and 20k miles.

I do not worry aboutr TBN, in that Mobil reported a long time ago that TBN hovers around 2.0 for quite a while when going for extended OCI's, and that at to no detriment to the engine.

XOM and Castrol have cracked the code here, with carefully beefed up add packs and select base oil components.

These EP oils are well suited in many applications IMV, and I would consider using them with complete confidence.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
Originally Posted by buster
I like running the extended drain oils (M1 EP/AP/Edge etc.) for a few reasons. The first reason is I trust that the oil was thoroughly tested and can hold up to oxidation well. Making a long drain claim signifies quality to me. If for some reason I can't do an oil change (winter for example), I like knowing I don't have to worry much about it. I'd never go the full distance claimed by the oil maker though. Even your top tier extended drain oils are not expensive. You're paying roughly $30 for 5qts for at least a good 6 months. Cars/engines are expensive, oil is not.

Mobil has done an outstanding job testing their EP and AP products. From videos to tear downs etc....no one has done a better job, IMO, at demonstrating the testing that goes on with their oil.


Regarding the behavior of motor oil during extended OCI's, I have found, from personal experience, that oxidative thickening that is counterproductive occurs somewhere between 17k miles and 20k miles.

I do not worry aboutr TBN, in that Mobil reported a long time ago that TBN hovers around 2.0 for quite a while when going for extended OCI's, and that at to no detriment to the engine.

XOM and Castrol have cracked the code here, with carefully beefed up add packs and select base oil components.

These EP oils are well suited in many applications IMV, and I would consider using them with complete confidence.

I agree.