Cash for Clunkers...

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Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
Those video clips are painful to watch, especially the BMW and Volvo.


I watched only one video and couldn't bear watching more. I can't stand the deliberate distruction of machinery of any kind, expecially vehicles.

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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal


you would be amazed at how many parts are going obsolete.


From Ford, anyway. It's happened more than once that I was able to get an aftermarket part when the Ford OE part was obsolete.
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
To everyone saying this is a waste, it's not really for removing pollluting and gas guzzlers. Its so people will buy cars and help get the economy moving again. Germany did the same thing and it worked very well over there.

Any program can be successful if it's supported on the backs of the taxpayers. This program is nothing more than forced spending to purchase goods that are otherwise not needed.

Where will it stop? This same idea can be applied to appliance
manufacturers, electronic manufacturers, and really anything that can be bought.

I have an idea. How about letting me keep my tax money and let ME decide how to stimulate the economy with the money I earned, and not give it away so someone can buy a car for $4500 less.


Kestas - Agree 100%.

I keep thinking this is another example where the Government is rewarding bad behavior and those that made "smart" decisions are getting screwed. What about the family that is struggling to make ends meet. They work hard, pay their bills, pay their taxes and own cars with good MPG because they were trying to "do the right thing". Maybe they need a new car and can really use the $4500. Too bad! Money goes to the moron down the street who bought a Chevy Tahoe they couldn't afford and don't need.

Sorry for the rant. This topic really [censored] me off.
 
it's not all about fuel economy or environment . More to stimulate vehicle sales . That way may get bail out money back sooner .
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Originally Posted By: smokey1
it's not all about fuel economy or environment .


Well, only to the extent that they have cloaked the whole program as a "green" program. They could cover up a multitude of sins by calling it "green" and people will eat it up like candy.
 
Originally Posted By: PT1
What a waste. They could swap those cars with under priveledged people who have real bad clunkers in the ghetto neighborhoods.


It is exactly that, a waste. It's been recently discovered that cars actually last 200,000 miles instead of the 100k that used to be the rule. Recently, as in, people suddenly clammed up at buying new at the first squeak or clunk, having had a sobering look at their own personal economies.

To keep the assembly lines rolling, we need to crush vehicles that still have 50-100k worth of service to give.

If we crushed stuff that was going to die tomorrow anyway, those people, by necessity, would buy new or bump up the value of someone else's trade, working up the food chain to a new car sale.

In the 1st Great Depression, they dumped potatoes in rivers while armed guards kept starving people from retrieving them. Was the only way to keep prices up to help the potato farmers. Same analogy.
 
Don't have time to do the research but I remember reading that keeping a car in service, rather than replacing with a new one is much more environmentally friendly. The environmental impact (resources, energy, etc) to build a new car, even with with high MPG is much greater then extending the life of an existing car, even with low MPG.

The GREEN thing to do would be to keep existing cars running longer. New MPG and environmental standards would ensure the next generation of cars are even more environmentally friendly.

However, this program is not about the environment.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
Punish that naughty Jeep! Kill it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A


I feel sick watching this. This program is the most wasteful, horrible thing ever conceived. I'd like to fill up the eco-[censored] who came up with this with sodium silicate and run them until they burn out.

You want to give people $4500 for trading into a more efficient vehicle? Fine, but destroying perfectly good engines and cars this way is incredibly wrong. Give them a salvage title or something, but not this.

The worst part of this is my tax dollars are going towards this stupidity. I hope they burn in [censored].
 
Well, I think the whole point of the program is to get people to purchase smaller cars, the admininstration wants that for various reasons, some of them probably nefarious.

I don't have any problem with the cars taken under this program being destroyed - the govt owns them, they can do as they please with them, that is the essence of property rights.

I don't like the govt giving people incentives via taxpayer money to take on more debt, when as a nation we are already awash in it.

You can opt out of the program. I may pick up a new Torrent tonight to replace the Blazer. I have the deal about where I want it, but I told them I would not participate in the clunker program because I didn't want the government money, but I expected at least clunker value for the Blazer.

I think they would rather deal around the program, than in it, if given a choice.
 
Most cars do not qualify for the cash for clunker program because their fuel economy rating is too high, from what I have read. The vehicle almost has to be a full size truck or suv. Has this been changed?
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
I found some more information that almost gave me a heart attack. Half the $1B for this program never left Washington DC.




I believe it was the same for the digital-to-analog TV converters. Most of the cost was for administration fees. The box took $40 off the cost to purchase one, but when you tally everything up, they cost several hundred dollars each to the taxpayers.
 
I agree with above. Especially the comment "I hope they burn in [censored]". This hurts the environment, it hurts poor people who can only afford clunkers, and helps? who? - the corporation and shareholders of course, who get paid off with our taxes. This is a monstrosity.
 
My parents' laziness has finally paid off. My dad rarely sells his old vehicles even after buying a new one. He has 2 very old cars that qualify for the CFC program. One of them is worth maybe $250 and still runs, so it would be a good choice to trade in.

I also think the program is misguided, but hey, if you can take advantage of it legally, why not?
 
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
donot get onto they cash for clunkers website the government will control your pc....this was on the news!!!


You heard it on Glenn Beck. He's never wrong.
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I've been reading some forums and have looked all over cars.gov and can not find ANYWHERE where there's the disclaimer Beck eluded to, and no one else can either.
 
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