Case for bigger Gov.

[Tempest]

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So you believe that most of the starving people in the world live in communist countries?

No, I clearly stated central economies.

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India is the world's largest democracy and has almost half of the world's starving people.

And they are a highly socialized government so why in the world would we want to emulate them? Fairness?

How's the corruption in India?

 

[MarkC]

Name a few "central economies"?

Are you unaware of who controls most of the food production in the U.S.?

 

[Gary Allan]

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Yes, because all of those communist/socialist/dictatorial countries are doing SO much better than our capitalist model...

Not when in direct competition for resources with a capitalist irresistible force. ..but that's neither here nor there... (that is, resist the lame urge to latch on to this one comment and read on).

Just what has capitalism done for you? What will it do TO you? Again, if you've seen our monetary debt based system, you HAVE to be in a town that's losing money ..in a state that's losing money ..in a nation that's losing money, while capitalism will benefit (in TRUE GAIN) fewer and fewer.

Just what's in it for you ..or any except the fewer and fewer who can real make out? What's in it for the AVERAGE citizen? Joe mean of means??? Just why should he NOT lean toward the "other side"?? What is capitalism going to do for him??

Sell him down the river? Most likely if at all possible.

 

[MarkC]

I think comparing poverty rates between the US and "socialized" Western European countries might be interesting.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Capitalism has driven the technology to allow greater food production and mineral extraction.


Ridiculously low energy costs play a part too.

US uses five times as many oil calories on food production/processing than make it to the table.

That's insane, and clearly unsustainable. We didn't get to the top of the food chain on a negative energy balance.

 

[MarkC]

"How's the corruption in India?"

How's the corruption here?

 

[Tempest]

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Are you unaware of who controls most of the food production in the U.S.?

I'm sure you are willing to tell me.
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Again, if you've seen our monetary debt based system, you HAVE to be in a town that's losing money ..in a state that's losing money ..in a nation that's losing money, while capitalism will benefit (in TRUE GAIN) fewer and fewer.

The FED's control of the monetary system prevents a capitalist system. We DO NOT have a true capitalist system and we haven't for a very long time.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: MarkC
I think comparing poverty rates between the US and "socialized" Western European countries might be interesting.

How well do you think they would be doing if we evil capitalists didn't subsidise them after WWII? Imagine if they had to pay their full defense spending?

And we STILL do better than they do, even with a booming population that most of Europe does not have.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Capitalism has driven the technology to allow greater food production and mineral extraction.


Ridiculously low energy costs play a part too.

US uses five times as many oil calories on food production/processing than make it to the table.

That's insane, and clearly unsustainable. We didn't get to the top of the food chain on a negative energy balance.

So I take it that there is a better way?

Lots more people starved under central economies than in capitalist ones.

 

[MarkC]

Proof, numbers, references...facts?

 

[MarkC]

Not exactly.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest

The FED's control of the monetary system prevents a capitalist system. We DO NOT have a true capitalist system and we haven't for a very long time.



You're in the Fed corrupted system. Do I see you screaming to hang them? Did I see you stating that debt based tax cuts were asinine? Didn't you support "borrow and spend" as long as it advantaged upper tier earners?

..or was I mistaken?

 

[Pablo]

You are mistaken. We don't have a tax problem we have a SPENDING problem. Wake up.

 

[MarkC]

Costs a lot to be the best....

 

[oilyriser]

Would things be any better if all property were owned by a corporation and all of us were employees? That would be equivalent to a big government.

 

[MarkC]

Nope, that would certainly be suckish.

 

[Shannow]

Isn't that essentially how the west was won ?

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: MarkC
Proof, numbers, references...facts?

Now that is just funny Mark. North Korea, USSR, China...the list goes on and on. Do you really claim that more people starve under capitalist systems that in centralized ones?

But if you want evidence:
http://www.wfp.org/Country_Brief/Hunger_Map/map/hungermap_popup/map_popup.html

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Isn't that essentially how the west was won ?

Say what?

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
You are mistaken. We don't have a tax problem we have a SPENDING problem. Wake up.


Yup. And apparently it's the "elephant" in your room. We had 6% GDP deficits in the early 80s; then "read my lips" fell on the deficit sword. We've had the most government spending over the last 8 years since WWII. Gary is not mistaken. Those are the FACTS. GOP = grand ol spenders.