Car Guru: Stop Downshift In Manual Transmissions

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I have always had manual transmission trucks/cars. I became a truck driver at a young age and have taught many people how to drive a stick. I taught my ex-wife when she was 20 and she still drives one today 28 years later. I still drive a truck all day and just bought my first auto trans car in many years. After shifting for hours on end during my day it's nice to get in my car to head home and just slip it in gear and cruise.
 
Originally Posted By: Whimsey
I've ordered my vehicles new for years because that was only way to get a vehicle I wanted with a manual transmission with minimal power options, less to break
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. My current new bought vehicles are a 1996 Ford Contour GL with a manual transmission. It does however have power door locks but without a key FOB. Also have a 2002 F-150 XL with manual transmission, manual everything, again ordered new. Now I don't think you even order a manual transmission in a F-150. In the recent past it was only in a bare bones 2 door basic model that could be had with the manual transmission.

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IIRC NONE of the big three offer a manual with their trucks in any class anymore, except dodge-and then ONLY with the 6.7 cummins diesel. When I bought my '04 f250 powerstroke, I specified a manual, but the hassle in finding one was so bad I just settled for the auto. When I replaced that truck because of the pathetic 6.0, I managed to get one of the last of the 5.9's with a stick. I'll be driving this for 20 years or more (I hope).
 
I have my first automatic vehicle in 25 years driving. It also happens to be first SUV and luxury oriented.

If I can help it my next vehicle (car) while have a manual transmission. At least my wife still drives a manual and entertaining one at that(Subaru legacy turbo).

Currently it seems to be combinations of real low end or high end trim level in order to get a manual transmission. My wife liked the Cadillac CTS wagon. The only way of getting manual wagon is ordering the CTS-V which is an absurd vehicle.

Subaru has it right with their WRX and STI models, only offered in manual transmission.
 
After how many years would you forget driving manual? I have not driven manual now for almost three months and I am already wondering :-)
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
How could we possibly reverse the trend away from sticks when people seem to want the HVAC controls operated through the high-definition touchscreen (a feature of a recent rental car that thorougly p***ed me off), want bluetooth syncing of their music, voice activated everything, heated tushie warmers, and can't be bothered to take out a key to open the door (yet don't seem to mind carrying a remote fob the size of a grapefruit... I'd rather have 10 brass keys!). I just don't get it. I don't want to be locked out of my car by a $3.00 battery, I don't want to have to replace a $300 remote when (not if!) it gets run through the washer by accident, and I don't want bright screens distracting me when I try to drive at night. I don't mind luxury... I like it... but things are a little out of hand.


Sounds like your idea of luxury is mushy sofa suspension, A/C, and a radio.

Me? I'll keep my remote key fob, my bluetooth for my phone. I love the heated seats in the nox, the rear seat DVD/AV entertainment system.

The truth is, people that DON'T want the bells and whistles are in the minority these days. If you sold a boxy car (that seems to be what most BITOGers want) with A/C, no power locks, no power windows, a manual transmission only, a carbeurated OHV engine, no ABS, AM/FM radio, and nothing else, I can garuntee that sales would be lucky to be in the hundreds per month. People DO NOT want those kind of cars anymore.


I think you've totally misunderstood me. I want to be CLOSER to the machine, not separated by an electronic wall. I don't want a sofa on wheels, I don't want boxy, I don't even want manual windows and locks (though I do want a keyhole on both sides of the car and the trunk). I don't mind added features at all, its the interface I disagree with. I'd gladly take a car like a Chrysler 300 or Dodge Charger with superb handling, quiet interior, and a huge power reserve and a 6-speed stick (yes, I know you can only get that in the Challenger at the moment...) Just don't make me access every aspect of it electronically. I want to push a button or turn a knob dedicated to controlling the HVAC instead of navigating a menu to find the temp controls. NO touch-screens, thank you. People worry about cell phones being a distraction, but the touchscreens on some modern cars are a BUILT IN distraction far worse than a phone. I may choose to use a key fob, but I want the car to start and run and function with nothing more than a brass key (and maybe a SKIS chip in the key) if I don't want to use the fob. I don't want to be forced to carry a lump the size of a fig in my pocket for each car I own.

The "glass cockpit" approach to flying passenger airplanes has been implicated in more crashes in the last few years than mechanical failure... because pilots aren't really in touch with what the mechanical parts of the machine are doing. I really don't want to see that mistake made with cars too. Its not even about "fun" in driving, although that's a big part of it for me. A person who couldn't care less about the fun of driving a car is still a better driver if the controls are simple and the feedback through the wheel and pedals is direct, not decoupled by servos.
 
I too like a car that is relatively barebones. I do like power windows and lock though. The thing is with most manual transmissions is that they are pretty much built "as is" and it's close to impossible to find manuals with a variety of options.

My golf is fairly well equipped, but a lot of it is with stuff I don't want. Heated seats, bluetooth, heated rearviews, etc... I guess they are nice features to some but I won't ever use them.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
People worry about cell phones being a distraction, but the touchscreens on some modern cars are a BUILT IN distraction far worse than a phone.

A person who couldn't care less about the fun of driving a car is still a better driver if the controls are simple and the feedback through the wheel and pedals is direct, not decoupled by servos.



THIS. I've been behind so many cars that are swerving over the yellow line only to come up next to them at a light and see them messing with their navigation system or touch screen.

If it was up to me we'd all be driving 2 seat 10 hp go carts.
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Auto transmissions are better now. With more gears,electronically programmable, lock up converters, etc..
But they are NOT better made than before, quality wise. Just adequate. If they break, WOW!

Manuals are more reliable.

I have a living room. I don't want to drive one.
 
I've been all over the world and its an American thing. People buy cars for the most part in the US for style and status and then complain about the price of gas. Most are not driving enthusiasts, they are car style/status enthusiasts.

The manual transmission with identical gearing is still the most efficient drivetrain. It is the baseline data point for just about every automotive paper shown at technical conferenecs from the automakers and suppliers and oil companies and government and etc.....

Hybrids don't count because they add energy from braking and are also sometimes made with manual transmissions.

Until one takes a driving school on a track, it may not make any sense, why the efficiency and driving experience is most influenced by the driver, rather than a computer guessing. Especially to one who solely drives in city gridlock.

What will kill manuals in the US will be regulation. The EPA and NHTSA want full control over the drivetrain and not letting you drive it. That requires the engine ECU to control the gearbox.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
How could we possibly reverse the trend away from sticks when people seem to want the HVAC controls operated through the high-definition touchscreen (a feature of a recent rental car that thorougly p***ed me off), want bluetooth syncing of their music, voice activated everything, heated tushie warmers, and can't be bothered to take out a key to open the door (yet don't seem to mind carrying a remote fob the size of a grapefruit... I'd rather have 10 brass keys!). I just don't get it. I don't want to be locked out of my car by a $3.00 battery, I don't want to have to replace a $300 remote when (not if!) it gets run through the washer by accident, and I don't want bright screens distracting me when I try to drive at night. I don't mind luxury... I like it... but things are a little out of hand.


Sounds like your idea of luxury is mushy sofa suspension, A/C, and a radio.

Me? I'll keep my remote key fob, my bluetooth for my phone. I love the heated seats in the nox, the rear seat DVD/AV entertainment system.

The truth is, people that DON'T want the bells and whistles are in the minority these days. If you sold a boxy car (that seems to be what most BITOGers want) with A/C, no power locks, no power windows, a manual transmission only, a carbeurated OHV engine, no ABS, AM/FM radio, and nothing else, I can garuntee that sales would be lucky to be in the hundreds per month. People DO NOT want those kind of cars anymore.


I do, its this thing we refer to as used cars. No one would sell that as a new car thesedays, but we still have choices to drive older cars if we want. I am still borderline on that. Every week I think about getting an older car again, they are just more enjoyable, period.
 
for the everyday driving to work, Wally, HD, etc I really do prefer an automatic.
For the toy Corvette-I wouldn't have anything but a stick. BTW 6th gear on these is so tall, foe me, it gets used at speeds over 65 only.
At 60mph it is only turning 1500 rpm
 
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