Show us a legit document that shows a gasoline API SJ can be safely used in the diesel 6.0L Power Stroke.Interestingly, International for the same engine recommends API CH-4 or API SJ
Can I use Pennzoil Platinum 5w40 A3/b4 in my diesel truck?
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edyvw
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/...use-in-6-0l-vt365-based-on-outside-temps.html
Now, they did not meet you, so maybe they would change their mind.
You must have meant a "Dual Rated" C/S diesel oil. You made it sound like OR a gasoline API SJ oil could be used. That is obviously not the case. Not sure what you posted b/c all the links in a 19 year old thread are dead. Also, There are only CK-4 based oils on the shelves. No one shops for an old CH-4 oil anymore. Especially, when ford does not recommend that old spec currently. Again, Show us where PPE has passed in all the relevant HD F1 testing if you claim it's "Better" than API C & F1 HDEO testing for OP's engine requirements. Surely, you can show it passed with flying colors?Interestingly, International for the same engine recommends API CH-4 or API SJ
https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/catalog/owner_guides/0560l6d3e.pdf
The question becomes how far off is API-CF from CH-4.
Then mix in 229.5 and the other specs.
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edyvw
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Again, the engine does not have EGR or catalytic converters.
Oil is rated API CF! In addition to B4-12.
It is also dual-rated, the same as what International is recommending (all Euro oils are dual-rated). Mobil1 0W40 FS is also CF oil for example.
That engine can run dino oil, let alone PPE 5W40 for one OCI. Would I run regularly PPE 5W40 if I owned 6.0? No.Would I run it one or two times? Yes.
Inapprorpiate oils, especially oils that have to pass higher wear, oxidation, and deposit standards than API CK-4 or F1, won't kill the engine. Inappropriate oils kill engines over time. And that is if using inferior oil, which PPE is not!
You still did not answer the question how would PPE harm that engine. What in particular you have concern with?
Here's a picture of before & after cleaning of my 6.0L EGR that you say doesn't exist.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-egr-and-intake-manifold.374080/#post-6645269
You still did not answer the question how PPE is appropriate for this engine w/testing standards that meet OP's truck.
edyvw
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Seriously? What exactly is the topic of your discussion? because it is in the first post:Here's a picture of before & after cleaning of my 6.0L EGR that you say doesn't exist.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-egr-and-intake-manifold.374080/#post-6645269
You still did not answer the question how PPE is appropriate for this engine w/testing standards that meet OP's truck.
You're the one quoting me continuously. For the record. What else do you need to say at this point?
edyvw
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So you didn’t read opening post, you don’t know what is API CF, but here you are.
API CF = GTG
A3/B4 is applicable to high speed diesel engines in light trucks and cars.
SA is 1.0 to 1.6 and minimum TBN is 10.
I wouldn’t hesitate using an a3/b4 engine oil in my 2011LML or 2018 L5P Duramax.
The oil in topic is currently in my John Deere x320 and my son’s 2013 5.3L SLT.
Diesel engines are also speed rated.
Cape class ships are two stroke cross head low speed engines that operate around 250 rpm.
Locomotives and generators are medium speed engines that operate between 900 and 1,100 rpm.
High speed diesels operate over 1,000 rpm.
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This document may be a bit older (pre 2018?)...the Ferrari approval was removed for Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 in 2018. Ferrari has since recommended for North America, Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5w-40 and for all other markets, Shell Ultra Helix Racing 5w-40.
https://evolubesupply.com/products/...ing-5-40-0-25-gal-0-95-liter-bottle-550051259 (PDS here)
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Sure if its SP version it does not have API CF in the spec.
I still had trouble sourcing API SP 40 euro oils. Still lot of SN remaining in stores this side off the Atlantic.
https://www.epc.shell.com/ClassGrad...d=1247422&gradeTypeId=1246484&gradeId=1248074
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edyvw
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API SN and SP PPE 5W40 are the same oil.
SOPUS basically had SP version out while SN and SN+ were still current.
edyvw
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Of course it can be used. Would I buy Delvac 5W40? Yes. But if I had 18qt on the shelf, it is going in. Only reason I would not use it if vehicle has DPF, which is not the case here.
Guys and gals - thanks for all the exciting and helpful information.
I ended up putting the oil in… the truck ran amazing. I put it on a dyno and gained 300hp at the wheels!
We took a trip up north to go shopping, and on our way back, the truck died on me. Fired it back up and went on our merry way home.. no issues..
The next morning I went outside and there’s a huge puddle of oil on the ground. I look under the truck and there’s a hole in my block… can’t believe it…but it was fun while it lasted!
Just kidding!
I really enjoy learning all this information you have shared. I find it very fascinating. Of course, any business or shop with liability will not ever “ok” someone to use wrong spec oil because then they can be blamed if failure occurs.
I’m not to worried about this oil. The manufacture date is 2023, so I have some time for someone on marketplace to buy it. I really don’t think this oil would hurt my engine though. I’d be curious what OBJECTIVE data we could find to make a proper decision though.
The 6.0 came out in 2003. Mine is a 2005. I don’t have the manual on me because I’m currently laying in bed in my underwear and it’s too cold to go outside and get it out of my glove box (nice run on sentence). Anyways, I see someone mentioned CH-4 is the minimum diesel spec required? From what I have researched, CK-4 obviously has all the standards prior to it but mainly focuses on emissions, anti-foaming, and wear properties?
Someone else said the PPE is equivalent to a CF-4 spec? That would be prior to CH-4, right?
Keep the comments rolling. Thanks!
I ended up putting the oil in… the truck ran amazing. I put it on a dyno and gained 300hp at the wheels!
We took a trip up north to go shopping, and on our way back, the truck died on me. Fired it back up and went on our merry way home.. no issues..
The next morning I went outside and there’s a huge puddle of oil on the ground. I look under the truck and there’s a hole in my block… can’t believe it…but it was fun while it lasted!
Just kidding!
I really enjoy learning all this information you have shared. I find it very fascinating. Of course, any business or shop with liability will not ever “ok” someone to use wrong spec oil because then they can be blamed if failure occurs.
I’m not to worried about this oil. The manufacture date is 2023, so I have some time for someone on marketplace to buy it. I really don’t think this oil would hurt my engine though. I’d be curious what OBJECTIVE data we could find to make a proper decision though.
The 6.0 came out in 2003. Mine is a 2005. I don’t have the manual on me because I’m currently laying in bed in my underwear and it’s too cold to go outside and get it out of my glove box (nice run on sentence). Anyways, I see someone mentioned CH-4 is the minimum diesel spec required? From what I have researched, CK-4 obviously has all the standards prior to it but mainly focuses on emissions, anti-foaming, and wear properties?
Someone else said the PPE is equivalent to a CF-4 spec? That would be prior to CH-4, right?
Keep the comments rolling. Thanks!
Not all CK-4 oils pass the F1 Ford specifications, which includes a minimum phosphorus level that not all CK-4s have.
CH-4 for 1998 and newer engines is the oldest API diesel classification that is current.
CG-4, CFs and older are all obsolete specifications, but may be displayed on a label indicating the oil is suitable for diesel engines.
Google API, ACEA and JASO for more information.
Additive company websites are an excellent source of information.
Infinium, Oronite, Lubrizol and Afton chemical are four of the major players.
CH-4 for 1998 and newer engines is the oldest API diesel classification that is current.
CG-4, CFs and older are all obsolete specifications, but may be displayed on a label indicating the oil is suitable for diesel engines.
Google API, ACEA and JASO for more information.
Additive company websites are an excellent source of information.
Infinium, Oronite, Lubrizol and Afton chemical are four of the major players.
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Ask Pennzoil. There is a Q/A sponsored by this site going on as I type this. Might not be too late to ask but the thread just closed.
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