California Taxing Elec

[SC Maintenance]

Don't think people are going to move over $25.00...............

But the list is long and growing.

Dominion here
-electric $9.50
- Gas$10.90

I am also charged $1.00 for renewable energy resources - whatever that means. I presume it means I am paying for some solar panel somewhere.

Comes on the same bill. I assume the OP's is electric only, since gas is likely verboten in CA?

People - were talking facility charge. It should be listed, not your total charge.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Wheres @JeffKeryk ?

Sure, you invest in some stuff to save you some money.....then......they hit you with a "savings bill"....what a crock. They have done the same thing in NC for vehicle registration, extra 200 i think for EV and 100 for Hybrid.

In NC, for an inspectable dwelling, you must be hooked up to power and water.

Not sure what I can tell you except my electric bill is really low; I don't think about it. Sometimes you get lucky.
But I will tell you PG&E and the PUC are crooks, IMO.

I am a Capitalist; PG&E has a monopoly in much of CA. They burn down our forests, raise prices and tell us what a great job they are doing while ripping us off...

 

[XB_Fan]

Here is mine in South Dakota

 

[GMBoy]

This is absolute nonsense. We have fixed charge of $19.45. Not sure what was the point of the post.
Also, CA, on average, has fewer blackouts than TX.

Point of the post is California has been run into the ground by the gov't and more people are fleeing every year and it's because of dumb taxes and fees like that. How many businesses have left as well? So that's my point and I think you knew what I meant. I could say the same about your comment.

 

[GMBoy]

Don't think people are going to move over $25.00...............

It all adds up

 

[MVAR]

It all adds up

Something about straws & camels

 

[edyvw]

Point of the post is California has been run into the ground by the gov't and more people are fleeing every year and it's because of dumb taxes and fees like that. How many businesses have left as well? So that's my point and I think you knew what I meant. I could say the same about your comment.

CA is still 5th largest economy in the world.
I know bunch of people who moved from TX here, but don't make any assumptions.

 

[MVAR]

CA is still 5th largest economy in the world.
I know bunch of people who moved from TX here, but don't make any assumptions.

Most of CA’s economy is government. The State Water Project alone would be about the 9th largest economy in the world.

https://water.ca.gov/-/media/DWR-We...---The-Economy-of-the-State-Water-Project.pdf

Remove the remaining government transactions from state to municipal agencies, private sector revenue doesn’t have much left.

 

[CKN]

It all adds up

That's a cop out answer-did you read the WHOLE THREAD about what others pay elsewhere?

What does every California thread have others posting nonsensical comments? We get it...you don't like the state...but let's make a coherent argument.

 

[CKN]

But the list is long and growing.

Dominion here
-electric $9.50
- Gas$10.90

I am also charged $1.00 for renewable energy resources - whatever that means. I presume it means I am paying for some solar panel somewhere.

Comes on the same bill. I assume the OP's is electric only, since gas is likely verboten in CA?

People - were talking facility charge. It should be listed, not your total charge.

Everybody in Salt Lake County is complaining about their electric bill. We have had above normal temps. If you leave your thermostat set where it always is-yea it's going to get expensive.
And the average house size in Utah is the largest in the Country. Go figure....

 

[SC Maintenance]

CA is still 5th largest economy in the world.
I know bunch of people who moved from TX here, but don't make any assumptions.

It has the 5th largest GDP in the world, but its only 5th highest per capita in the USA - there just very populace.

And one of the ones with higher GDP per capita is Washington DC - which produces nothing but hot air. So I am thinking this GDP metric is not so useful.

 

[Nessism1]

Everybody in Salt Lake County is complaining about their electric bill. We have had above normal temps. If you leave your thermostat set where it always is-yea it's going to get expensive.
And the average house size in Utah is the largest in the Country. Go figure....

My kid has a Telsla. The local charging station charges him $.47kwh.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Most of CA’s economy is government. The State Water Project alone would be about the 9th largest economy in the world.

https://water.ca.gov/-/media/DWR-We...---The-Economy-of-the-State-Water-Project.pdf

Remove the remaining government transactions from state to municipal agencies, private sector revenue doesn’t have much left.

Please. That's ridiculous.

 

[97prizm]

I can see more moving trucks headed East out of there!

Accordingly to many Trucking companies they are leaving California's for this very reason. When you make it almost impossible i.e. (only 2015 and newer trucks) can be "Certified " by them it's unacceptable.

 

[4WD]

Not sure what I can tell you except my electric bill is really low; I don't think about it. Sometimes you get lucky.
But I will tell you PG&E and the PUC are crooks, IMO.

I am a Capitalist; PG&E has a monopoly in much of CA. They burn down our forests, raise prices and tell us what a great job they are doing while ripping us off...

I think we are talking utility rates and taxes - not everyone can afford a solar spread … There are plenty others who share the blame for these fires - just think of the fire triangle and what part can be controlled in advance of harsh winds …

 

[4WD]

Accordingly to many Trucking companies they are leaving California's for this very reason. When you make it almost impossible i.e. (only 2015 and newer trucks) can be "Certified " by them it's unacceptable.

That’s tough. We tend to think of the overvalued tech companies - but agriculture is the big one in CA and very dependent on trucks …

 

[MVAR]

Please. That's ridiculous.

Did you click on the link? It’s a CA state document.

 

[MVAR]

That’s tough. We tend to think of the overvalued tech companies - but agriculture is the big one in CA and very dependent on trucks …

The diesel regulations have also destroyed the road construction industry in CA. The small & medium sized companies can’t afford to rotate equipment that fast. The large national companies just rotate new equipment through CA first & up charge. Moving equipment to other states as it approaches EoL for CA.

Small hauling companies are getting hit hard as well. They have to pull small 4500 & 5500 series trucks off the road twice a year currently for “smog” testing. In a couple years that doubles to 4x a year

 

[SC Maintenance]

I tried to figure out the California Economy organization at one point, and to be honest I didn't get very far. Its usually pretty easy.

In every state I have ever looked at the largest contributor to GDP is always about moving money around - finance, insurance, leasing, real estate (renting, not building), etc. Its usually the biggest piece by far. Then you usually have govco and professional services (accountants, lawyers, etc).

After all that you get into the things that I actually care about - like manufacturing or retail sales or whatever. In California once you got past Ag, Big Tech, and Hollywood - it got pretty murky actually. Of course those three are pretty big.

GDP is really just an estimate, and the BEA process uses primarily labor income and business taxes to estimate this. So when companies like Chevron move corporate to Texas, a lot of that estimated GDP (financing, renting, insuring, etc) will go to Texas. Things can change quickly - its just a balance sheet really, not real life.

Still, I doubt they will be threatening Mississippi for being the lowest per capita GDP state anytime soon.

 

[4WD]

I tried to figure out the California Economy organization at one point, and to be honest I didn't get very far. Its usually pretty easy.

In every state I have ever looked at the largest contributor to GDP is always about moving money around - finance, insurance, leasing, real estate (renting, not building), etc. Its usually the biggest piece by far. Then you usually have govco and professional services (accountants, lawyers, etc).

After all that you get into the things that I actually care about - like manufacturing or retail sales or whatever. In California once you got past Ag, Big Tech, and Hollywood - it got pretty murky actually. Of course those three are pretty big.

GDP is really just an estimate, and the BEA process uses primarily labor income and business taxes to estimate this. So when companies like Chevron move corporate to Texas, a lot of that estimated GDP (financing, renting, insuring, etc) will go to Texas. Things can change quickly - its just a balance sheet really, not real life.

Still, I doubt they will be threatening Mississippi for being the lowest per capita GDP state anytime soon.

There might be a few bucks crossing the Pacific in containers