California Taxing Elec
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Deferred maintenance from operating parts of power grid that are 100 years old to squeeze every bit of profit to enrich greedy CEOs. Turns out waiting for 100 year old critical parts to fail and kill 80+ people in a wild fire is bad for business, and we all know big business are too big to fail so you’ll still end up paying for it. Everyone except those who profited like bandits.
Thats just a part of it. This whole thing is more crooked than the road around the Isle of Man.
The other part is the crushing bill to reduce carbon output that everyone in Cali has to pay.
Now that the bill is due, there is unprecedented urgency to pass the bill to everyone else.
Right.
The face rate you pay is nothing at all like the bill you get. The energy company looks you in the eye and tell you that you pay .092.
Yet the bill you receive tells the whole truth and that is you pay more than double that at .2
yep I pay .052 going to .079 next month..(numbers from memory)
but right now my $$$ bill/kwh is around .17 likely .20+ next month.
My coop was replacing poles in the area and dumping the old ones for me to use a couple of years ago. Some were the original ones put in back in the 1930s and REA days.
yup. they make it up in the fixed fees.
Crooked is right. Not just from the investor owned utilities but from government down.
You’re not going to hear much about public entities involvement in starting some of these fires. Don’t know if there’s a back room deal (likely) that doesn’t make it down to people like me but the whole thing stinks.
Operators & dispatchers are not allowed to speak to media or speak publicly about many things on the grid. I’ll just say that I’ve seen media reports that place blame on an entity when that entity couldn’t have prevented the trouble caused by another entity on their equipment. Or two entities involved in trouble but only one is publicly held responsible. There’s been more than a handful that did more than raise an eyebrow.
As far as line maintenance. It’s very true. Back in 05ish there was a 20yr backlog of work. That’s only grown. Utilities are continually hiring line crews & can’t keep up. Contractors are used daily & they have decades of backlog work as well as new projects.
I’m not on a line crew but I do know that PG&E’s standards for their crews are extremely high. They haven’t compromised standards to hire more but it requires them to utilize contractors more than ever. Many of us have been hoping the push of the last few years for kids to learn a trade instead of traditional college will grow the pool of intelligent candidates. It’s not an easy job though so many are turned off by how demanding the job is physically.
I really do wish I could go into more detail about some of the fires that were started. It’s basically a forbidden topic.
I should always preface -
The crews are fabulous guys.
It's the guys in the offices Ive got problems with.
I dont mind paying a fair rate to keep it going.
I've never seen gas sold by the gigajoule.
Therms, yes (I hate that metric)
Cubic Feet (per min when dealing with engines) - preferred method because most of the math I use is in this measurement.
Perplexity is perfect tool for seeing what math on a multi step chart really boils down to without resorting to grinding through it on your own.
To incorporate the additional charges into the cost per gallon calculation, we need to consider all the charges listed on the bill. Let's break this down step by step:
Total Charges Breakdown
- Water Treatment and Supply: $39.75
- Water Charge: $24.89
- Water Service Charge: $14.86
- Wastewater Collection and Treatment: $53.43
- Wastewater Charge: $25.29
- Wastewater Service Charge: $28.14
- Stormwater Management: $17.19
Total Cost Calculation
Total cost = $39.75 + $53.43 + $17.19 = $110.37Water Usage
The bill shows a water usage of 17.000 m³, which converts to approximately 4,490.92 gallons (17.000 m³ × 264.172 gallons/m³).Revised Cost Per Gallon Calculation
$110.37 ÷ 4,490.92 gallons ≈ $0.0246 per gallonResult
When including all charges (water treatment and supply, wastewater collection and treatment, and stormwater management), this person is paying approximately $0.0246 per gallon, or about 2.46 cents per gallon.This comprehensive cost per gallon is significantly higher than the initial calculation that only considered the direct water charge. It reflects the true cost of water services, including treatment, delivery, wastewater management, and stormwater infrastructure maintenance1
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Never took it otherwise.
I have several issues with the people in the big office as well, maybe more issue than you have with them
Yes, the electrical portion of the bill is very detailed. In the oil patch we would call that “ roap, soap and dope”. The bottom line is the electrical portion of the bill is $162.42 for $789 kwhr of electricity. That works out to $0.20 per kWhr. Multiplied by 0.74 to change to US dollars, is $0.15 US per kWhr. Now compare that to the $ 0.53 per kWhr price in California. Electricity in Alberta is still pretty cheap!
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Good info and the payout is awesome due to the high cost of electricity billed. Just wondering what is the 36.8 kWh Net Exported number. I noticed it is kWhr and not MWhr like the other three numbers.
My consumption for the year matches my production almost identically - so close that only these few KWH are over what I consume.
My use is high because I irrigate my land from April -October, and run a 1500 watt pump 19 hours a day.
Got it. Net export is simply Produced minus Consumed. As for the consumption, I thought maybe you had a grow-op.
@SHOZ
Well I would look at the Model 3 more as a Honda Accord fit and finish not Lexus Hybrid with both a battery and engine. The luxury according to reviews are also very nice in the Lexus compared to the Tesla.
A gasoline Honda Accord is 700 Lbs lighter @3,280 Lbs and 10 inches longer
I always thought for some reason power was cheap up there. Not sure of the effect but people in the USA need to remember this is Canadian dollars not US.
We used 10% more electricity and your bill is 25% higher, could be worse, you could live in one of the "other" states though.
Our water, sewer bill is about the same depending on use during the summer for lawn watering.
Here is our electric for the month of July that is with the use of Air Conditioning 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
Here is our combined water and sewer for the month of July ($90). Being that we got over a FOOT of rain in July we only needed to water the lawn once for a cost of $5.79 Typically it could cost more like the previous bill (though that was the highest ever) of $123. and that would be watering a total of 8 times for the month. (2x's a week)
Our garbage collection is part of our stupid low real estate taxes. Which is .34 cents (34 cents) per $1000 of assessed valuation.
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Each province has its own pricing. Alberta relies heavily on Natural Gas. Neighbouring BC has almost 100% hydroelectricity and is closer to $0.10 US per kWhr
Yeah, not knowing too much about Canada, I expect low rates with the combination of hydroelectric, nuclear and gas
