California Taxing Elec

Now there is a "road tax" since EVs do not use gasoline they are taxed on their registrations using the info you provided.
correct, for now. but like all dumb laws, they get broader in their scope. Next thing it will be mileage tax, and that will open up a new can of worms

NC has the mosts roads, and miles of roads in the usa
 
I see in my neighborhood, which is upper middle class, houses going for at minimum $600,000, etc., and people asking for diapers on the neighborhood page, and then the same people, after spending time and time bragging about how their house gained in value, complaining about real estate taxes catching up with house values. The thing is, if you buy a home that from get-go is expensive, live in an area that is gaining value like crazy, but end up asking for diapers, it is no one fault but yours.
The city runs our local utility company. It is a non-profit organization. But they have to stay in business. They cannot run a deficit. Hence, fixed-fee bcs. for example, I have solar panels and infrastructure to my house that takes electricity from my panels to the grid and from the grid to my house, costs money. And that is perfectly fine. Electricity is not a right! And no, those $25 is not a tax.
No lies in what you said to be honest.

The problem I see is that even when most people who responsibly purchased in their budget are now squeezed so tight from higher cost of food/gas etc, new taxes, increased taxes and fees on every utility available it is not their fault. I agree the ones who bought more house then they could afford before this mess made their own problems now that things cost more.

Energy might not be a "right" but it is not legal to live in a house without it or water so it is a necessity.
 
Let's see just one item. Electricity cost 270% more in CA that Chris posted than I pay on the east coast.
Now they will add another $25 to that.
Let's move onto gasoline. He pays 50% (or more) for gasoline than I pay.

That is just two items out of many items and reasons why people are fleeing the state.
Absolutely correct. Stuff like this are just two line items on the long list as to why we got out.
 
The problem is when they move out to other areas , yet vote for the same policies that they ran away from.
Not necessarily. The number one requirement in our search for a place to flee from CA is that it be a solid red state. We wanted to live where people had values and morals similar to ours. This is from a 3rd generation native Southern Californian. We could not be happier since moving to rural Indiana.
 
No lies in what you said to be honest.

The problem I see is that even when most people who responsibly purchased in their budget are now squeezed so tight from higher cost of food/gas etc, new taxes, increased taxes and fees on every utility available it is not their fault. I agree the ones who bought more house then they could afford before this mess made their own problems now that things cost more.

Energy might not be a "right" but it is not legal to live in a house without it or water so it is a necessity.
This would go off the rails fast if we continued the discussion.
But mountain counties in CO are very good examples of the housing crises. For example, Steamboat Springs, a posh ski resort, cannot hire an HR director, regardless of the starting pay being $167,000. Reason? There is now ay one can survive in that place with $167,000. The loss of seasonal workers in ski resorts, etc., is a very good case study. I will leave it at that.
 
correct, for now. but like all dumb laws, they get broader in their scope. Next thing it will be mileage tax, and that will open up a new can of worms

NC has the mosts roads, and miles of roads in the usa
I think with EVs a mileage tax will be a standard in the USA, at least for states with inspections initially. I agree when it comes to taxes however this one subject I can not agree. EVs have to pay for the roads and should not be left to gasoline only drivers. IN fact EVs of the same size road wear is much greater due to the higher weight of the batteries. Maybe one day it will go by weight and mileage.
One thing for sure, not that I favor it but a mileage tax will be in place in many areas in the next decade to 15 years.
 
https://apnews.com/article/californ...emic-decline-0d2bfc2c0a4ced0c3c2ad934207818bc

So in 2023 it grew after a few years of decline.

There is still about 39 million in the state. It's not a ghost town.
No one said it was, its just growing at a slower rate and mostly declining than the rest of the country.
California after 171 years just lost its first congressional seat 3 years ago. The stats are there.

Hardly a "town" and will always be the most populated state. Its land mass is the 3rd largest in the country beat only by Alaska which by far is massively larger than all states, Followed by the state everyone is moving to Texas. Still doesnt change the fact that CA population is declining either in real numbers or by growth and Californias next largest state competitor, Texas is growing by leaps and bounds..
 
Well, the prices of moving trucks out of CA are still sky high as they were in 2021 when I moved out.
So the demand must still be pretty high.

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The weight of EVs is a real issue and expressed in the cost to maintain the tires vs a ice vehicle. Looks like Illinois taxes though annual registration. Initial registration is +$400 and then an annual fee of ~$250.
 
Well, the prices of moving trucks out of CA are still sky high as they were in 2021 when I moved out.
So the demand must still be pretty high.

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I wonder if the ratio of people moving into California is heavily weighted with welfare recipients, homeless and the asylum seekers formerly known as illegals. They would not need moving trucks.
 
Well, the prices of moving trucks out of CA are still sky high as they were in 2021 when I moved out.
So the demand must still be pretty high.

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I just checked and it costs more than double to rent a truck to go from LA to Houston vs the other way around. The same 26" UHaul truck costs $2,187.00 going to California from Texas. Apparently they have a lot of trucks in Texas and a shortage in California.
 
I just checked and it costs more than double to rent a truck to go from LA to Houston vs the other way around. The same 26" UHaul truck costs $2,187.00 going to California from Texas. Apparently they have a lot of trucks in Texas and a shortage in California.
When I moved my niece from Arlington, TX to Capitola, CA almost 3 years ago, there were a plethora of rental vans; they gave the biggest one for a great price.. No way I could drive it. My BIL can drive anything; he drove it like a dang Corolla.
 
The weight of EVs is a real issue and expressed in the cost to maintain the tires vs a ice vehicle. Looks like Illinois taxes though annual registration. Initial registration is +$400 and then an annual fee of ~$250.
A model 3 at ~4,000lbs only weights ~200lbs more than a Lexus ES hybrid… and is within the same ballpark as many other ICE or hybrid vehicles of the same size.
 
A model 3 at ~4,000lbs only weights ~200lbs more than a Lexus ES hybrid… and is within the same ballpark as many other ICE or hybrid vehicles of the same size.
Depends on the vehicle, luxury & hybrid add weight, so will awd.

Fusion & Camry are both in the 3400-3500 range until hybrid & awd systems are added. Then they’re a bit over 3600lbs.
 
Not sure what I can tell you except my electric bill is really low; I don't think about it. Sometimes you get lucky.
But I will tell you PG&E and the PUC are crooks, IMO.

I am a Capitalist; PG&E has a monopoly in much of CA. They burn down our forests, raise prices and tell us what a great job they are doing while ripping us off...
Pacific Gouge and Electric. PGE owns the politicians the Californians keep reelecting. Been that way forever.
 
"In May 2024, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) voted to implement a new fixed monthly charge on electricity bills for customers of investor-owned utilities, starting in late 2025 for SCE and SDG&E customers and early 2026 for PG&E customers:


  • Fixed charge
    A flat $24.15 monthly charge for most customers, which is more than double the national average"


    No mention as to whether this tax will be included in the general monthly bill, so as to be offset by solar?

Solar customers are already under a fixed contract for both buy and sell so no, it doesn't affect solar customers.
 
Get solar. Save money they said!

In my case they be would be correct. Wildly correct.

So far I've used 12 MW this billing year @ .53 cents a KWH plus connection fees - that would be a 6500 bill this year. (at min)

I paid 20K for the system 2.5 years ago.

Thats like a 3 year ROI. Every time they raise the price, the ROI gets better.


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