California Taxing Elec

[srfdude]

"In May 2024, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) voted to implement a new fixed monthly charge on electricity bills for customers of investor-owned utilities, starting in late 2025 for SCE and SDG&E customers and early 2026 for PG&E customers:

• Fixed charge
  A flat $24.15 monthly charge for most customers, which is more than double the national average"
  
  
  No mention as to whether this tax will be included in the general monthly bill, so as to be offset by solar?

 

[edyvw]

"In May 2024, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) voted to implement a new fixed monthly charge on electricity bills for customers of investor-owned utilities, starting in late 2025 for SCE and SDG&E customers and early 2026 for PG&E customers:

• Fixed charge
  A flat $24.15 monthly charge for most customers, which is more than double the national average"
  
  
  No mention as to whether this tax will be included in the general monthly bill, so as to be offset by solar?

My fixed charge is $19.45.

 

[GMBoy]

I can see more moving trucks headed East out of there!

 

[Rand]

While we know that california has some of the highest utility bills...
Bills are very hard to compare in different regions due to the many different ways they are billed.

my natural gas connect charge of 46$ seems high but distributed per 1000mcf costs are around $4
my winter average is around $65 6-7 months of the year its just the 46$ charge.

Electricity is even more complicated with more billing schemes.

My all in electricity cost is currently running around 17cents but next month my generation charge is going from .053 to .079 or about 25bucks per 1000kwh increase
I could switch suppliers but most that are cheaper only offer 8 or 9 month contract who wants to do that more than once a year?

 

[CKN]

I can see more moving trucks headed East out of there!

Don't think people are going to move over $25.00...............

 

[MVAR]

Don't think people are going to move over $25.00...............

When several people in CA's hottest areas have monthly bills between $600-1200 during the summer months, these types of things tend to make some people very angry. Others won't even notice.

 

[edyvw]

I can see more moving trucks headed East out of there!

This is absolute nonsense. We have fixed charge of $19.45. Not sure what was the point of the post.
Also, CA, on average, has fewer blackouts than TX.

 

[MVAR]

This is absolute nonsense. We have fixed charge of $19.45. Not sure what was the point of the post.
Also, CA, on average, has fewer blackouts than TX.

Do you mean outages? Blackouts are cascading events that de-energize large portions of a power system. An outage can be a single circuit that doesn't impact anyone to impacting several thousand customers. Two events that happen within a 1-2min span are also generally counted as a single outage even if customer interruptions are far greater or not impacted.

 

[edyvw]

Do you mean outages? Blackouts are cascading events that de-energize large portions of a power system. An outage can be a single circuit that doesn't impact anyone to impacting several thousand customers. Two events that happen within a 1-2min span are also generally counted as a single outage even if customer interruptions are far greater or not impacted.

OK, outages. My mistake.

 

[MVAR]

OK, outages. My mistake.

I'm not sure how to track all entities outages on the transmission & distribution systems. I do know the regional entities track customer interruptions and transmission outages that do & don't interrupt customers. Has me curious though. I work in real time generation dispatch not on a desk that handles historical outage tracking.

If I have access (and public access is allowed) I'll see what I can find.

 

[burbguy82]

Wheres @JeffKeryk ?

Sure, you invest in some stuff to save you some money.....then......they hit you with a "savings bill"....what a crock. They have done the same thing in NC for vehicle registration, extra 200 i think for EV and 100 for Hybrid.

In NC, for an inspectable dwelling, you must be hooked up to power and water.

 

[Chris142]

When several people in CA's hottest areas have monthly bills between $600-1200 during the summer months, these types of things tend to make some people very angry. Others won't even notice.

Mine was $800 last month and we dont have AC. Just a swamp cooler.. I posted my price per kw a few weeks ago.. IIRC was $.47

 

[2005jettatdi]

Our rental house base rate is $ 17.00 but by the time all the fake charges are added on it comes to $ 23.87 in a month with no net electric usage. That is for the house with net billing solar. The house we live in has time of use billing solar. The base charge is $ 14.00 which comes to about $ 21.00 with the fake charges added on. My office is $ 41.08 with all the fake charges added on. The fake charges include $ 4.77 renewable energy standard tariff for the houses and $ 12.51 for the office.

Higher use businesses have a higher renewable energy standard tariff.

 

[Rand]

I like that fake charges we have 26$ in cost recovery fees.. not sure if its monthly or usage based I'll look into it.

 

[Pew]

Well investor-owned = shareholder interests.

Do they give out a summary of exactly what's each cent is going to? ComED does for us but the parent company Exelon is a public utility.

 

[MVAR]

Mine was $800 last month and we dont have AC. Just a swamp cooler.. I posted my price per kw a few weeks ago.. IIRC was $.47

That price is tier 1, when you exceed and enter into tier 2-3, that price can hit $1/kWh

 

[MVAR]

I'm not sure how to track all entities outages on the transmission & distribution systems. I do know the regional entities track customer interruptions and transmission outages that do & don't interrupt customers. Has me curious though. I work in real time generation dispatch not on a desk that handles historical outage tracking.

If I have access (and public access is allowed) I'll see what I can find.

So I've been searching the CAISO site & did come across different outage tracking tools. They require a certificate (which I have) but they're confidential & I can't post the information.

I did find these CPUC reports that are open to the public though:

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-...orts/2022-annual-electric-reliability-reports

Haven't found information on ERCOT/Texas as of yet but I likely just don't know how to search their system well enough.

Here's some US averages:

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61303

 

[stevejones]

Mine was $800 last month and we dont have AC. Just a swamp cooler.. I posted my price per kw a few weeks ago.. IIRC was $.47

$270 for both gas & electric. I have AC (4-ton) & I ran the snot out of it last month.

 

[Pablo]

Get solar. Save money they said!

 

[Nessism1]

One thing you can count on: California will come after your money. They are crying about excess demand now, before many of the electrical mandates really kick in (like EV's, electric water heaters, Furness, and stoves, etc).