Bode miller

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Originally Posted By: raytseng
That's really reading into it. If it were nerves she would've broken way before her multiple world championships.

Most of the gossip is that she probably picked up a flu or cold. And/or her goal this year to add all the speed events taking the toll as well assplitting her focus and taking away slalom specific training time


Bode mentioned that she has had extreme cases of nerves to the point of throwing up, at World Cup events too.

She's young, and with the Media hyping her to no end, I can certainly understand an anxiety attack. At least she has a Gold Medal from these games already. Hopefully she does well in the other events she's entered in.

One I feel bad for is Nathan Chen. He's even younger, this is his first Olympics, and the Media has really been hyping him and building the expectation that he was practically a sure thing for Gold. The Media in it's almighty quest for ratings, really does these athletes a disservice by hyping them so much, IMO.

 

[raytseng]

Sure, bode mentioned it, but that was just his opinion before that run.
He had to walk back his other hot take on valentine's day that another racer getting married is why she wasn't performing well, so his opinion is just his own.
If you listened to the post-run, Mikaela said herself this time it was more like a virus than nerves. Which source is better? I'd trust the horse's mouth.

It's not like she completely messed up either (as you noted refer to Nathan), she came in 4th; and said she just didn't attack enough, where all the other best athletes in the league were all going for the win.

BTW one of her coaches is a well credentialed sports psychologist, so she already does have the coaching for the pscyh portion.

 

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Originally Posted By: raytseng
Sure, bode mentioned it, but that was just his opinion before that run. But if you listened to the post-run, Mikaela said herself it was more like a virus. Which source is better? It's not like she completely failed either, she came in 4th; and said she just didn't attack enough, where all the other best athletes in the league were also going for the win.

BTW one of her coaches is a well credentialed sports psychologist, so she already does have the coaching for the pscyh portion.


My point was that having some anxiety before one of her most hyped (by the Media) events, wouldn't be surprising.

 

[raytseng]

Sure, that's a given.
But I assume you're taking that point a step further and saying her result of coming in 4th versus a high position is primarily due to anxiety.
That is the assumed point which I have a different opinion on.

I think all the other reasons: possible illness, split training and focus for the other events, too conservative a strategy (when you know some if not all the field is going for it) are the higher ranked reasons for the outcome.

 

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Originally Posted By: raytseng
Sure, that's a given.
But I assume you're taking that point a step further and saying her result of coming in 4th versus a high position is primarily due to anxiety.




No, I'm not saying that. That's something we'll never know.

I'm only saying it's a possible factor.

 

[raytseng]

ok we will leave it at that.
Its a bit disingenuous to bring up point a and point b and put them side by side without saying you want the points to be connected. That's more of a fringe media tactic.

BTW its said now that she indeed is sick and throwing up in the lodging. We will see by next race that'll trickle into the storylines or if other storylines come out.
You are right, maybe we won't know. but see if you want to jump on the she's sick bandwagon versus the nerves got her bandwagon. Or maybe the other skiers are pretty good skiers too bandwagon.

 

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Originally Posted By: raytseng
ok we will leave it at that.
Its a bit disingenuous to bring up point a and point b and put them side by side without saying you want the points to be connected. That's more of a fringe media tactic.

BTW its said now that she indeed is sick and throwing up in the lodging. I'm sure by next race that'll trickle into the storylines. so see if you want to jump on that bandwagon versus the nerves got her bandwagon.


Buddy, will you please get off my jock? Again, you seem to want to antagonize because I mentioned a point of view that you don't seem to like.

 

[sleddriver]

I thought I had. I certainly don't fault the commentators for the 'editing & cutting'.

The Super-G skier had finished his run. There is some delay between skiers while the gates are reset and minor course work is done. His run was being reviewed and after 5 sec or so, they immediately cut to a commercial.

I'll be tuning in on-line and may time-shift the OTA segment to easily skip the numerous commercials.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: 02SE
Bode mentioned that she has had extreme cases of nerves to the point of throwing up, at World Cup events too. She's young, and with the Media hyping her to no end, I can certainly understand an anxiety attack. At least she has a Gold Medal from these games already. Hopefully she does well in the other events she's entered in.


Being able to manage nerves and pressure is all part of producing a winning overall performance.... In ANY sport. Shriffrin most certainly is one of the most talented skiers to come along in a long time. Her list of wins in relationship to her young age is astounding. I'm certainly not writing her off yet. Anyone can have a bad event. Even if it was supposedly in her best discipline. But she has got to be able to get her nerves under much better control. Especially in a sport where going from an Olympic Gold Medal, to finishing off the podium can be measured in less than half a second.

Several years ago I remember listening to an interview with Jack Nicklaus's caddy. He said they played together several times a week. And he beat him quite regularly. Sometimes by several strokes a round. But the difference was he could not manage the pressure of playing on the PGA Tour. Put tens of thousands of dollars on a single putt, then apply television cameras, along with a gallery of several thousand spectators watching, and he was finished. It never bothered Nicklaus. At least never to the point where he couldn't control it, or let any of it get to him.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted By: madRiver
I found his counterpart completely inept at announcing ski racing. He is extremely technical but makes you understand how and where etc they win/lose and they come sooo close. A welcome relief to the pure fluff.

He randomly photo bombed my daughters picture I took for her at Cannon Mt base lodge looking up mountain. He is funny in person.

Ever met his wife? Apparently she's not a cold weather person, but somehow they hooked up.

 

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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Bode mentioned that she has had extreme cases of nerves to the point of throwing up, at World Cup events too. She's young, and with the Media hyping her to no end, I can certainly understand an anxiety attack. At least she has a Gold Medal from these games already. Hopefully she does well in the other events she's entered in.


Being able to manage nerves and pressure is all part of producing a winning overall performance.... In ANY sport.


Absolutely.

Sometimes people handle the pressure better at times than at other times. I've been involved in a professional sport for years, in a team capacity. The pressure can be intense to become the best, or to live up to the expectation of being the best.

 

[salesrep]

Originally Posted By: madRiver
I found his counterpart completely inept at announcing ski racing. He is extremely technical but makes you understand how and where etc they win/lose and they come sooo close. A welcome relief to the pure fluff.



He randomly photo bombed my daughters picture I took for her at Cannon Mt base lodge looking up mountain. He is funny in person.

Agreed, I should have titled this “ski coverage” compared to the skeleton commentary,,,no contest

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: raytseng
BTW its said now that she indeed is sick and throwing up in the lodging.


Yesterday they showed her yucking it up and smiling with her boyfriend, up at the start house of the Men's Giant Slalom, where he was competeting. She sure seemed fine and dandy.

 

[billt460]

Just to add to my above post. It now appears her "boyfriend", (French skier Mathieu Faivre), was kicked out of the Olympics for making derogatory remarks about his own team members. Sounds like a real swell guy. Between the low U.S. medal count, Vonn's stupid political statements, and now this, it's shaping up to be a real toilet bowl of an Olympics.

http://www.sportingnews.com/athletics/ne...9a1totic0yq8en1

 

[nthach]

Originally Posted By: billt460
Shriffrin most certainly is one of the most talented skiers to come along in a long time. Her list of wins in relationship to her young age is astounding. I'm certainly not writing her off yet. Anyone can have a bad event. Even if it was supposedly in her best discipline. But she has got to be able to get her nerves under much better control. Especially in a sport where going from an Olympic Gold Medal, to finishing off the podium can be measured in less than half a second.


I think Shiffrin will be a force to be reckoned with in 2022 as well as the World Cup circuit - we don't get much buzz about skiing in America as the mighty NFL/MLB/NBA dominate sports media in the US. The Olympics are just a high-pressure venue for any athlete and the conditions were less than ideal - Shiffrin is the queen of ice - it's more risky to go fast on hardpack/ice for most.

I thought Chloe's Kim tweet about being hangry and wanting ice cream probably helped her take off the edge before going for the gold in the women's snowboarding half-pipe.