BMW driving event -- 640i Gran Coupe vs. CLS550

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I signed up for a BMW driving event today that was doing one of those "compare us to the competition" things. I selected the BMW 640i Gran Coupe vs. the Mercedes CLS550. This seems like an odd comparison; the CLS550 has a twin-turbo V8, which means the 650i would have been a better match (the 640i has a single-turbo I6). In retrospect, though, the Mercedes needed all the help it could get.

The Mercedes was really fast. Flooring it was quite a surprise. By the time I processed how quickly the trees were whipping by, they had accelerated so much that I had to re-calibrate. Of course, that wouldn't have been so difficult if I didn't have to look out the windows to get an idea of how fast I was going. There was absolutely zero sensation of speed. Technically impressive, but stupid in practice and arguably dangerous. The steering was utterly lifeless. Under hard braking the whole car heaved forward on its suspension before beginning to slow down. It honestly felt like a stupid car to drive. The only thing I found genuinely impressive was the suspension tuning: body motion control and ride quality were both very very good.

The BMW wasn't as fast in a straight line, but it still had plenty of go -- and it handled like a sports car compared to the Mercedes. Cornering was sharp and responsive. The brakes just did their job accurately and positively without the whole car flopping around. The ride was firmer, but not by much -- even in Sport+ mode. The steering had at least some feel to it. The cabin felt serious, whereas the Mercedes's cabin felt like a waiting room with a steering wheel.

Unfortunately, both cars have complete deal-breakers for me: no manual transmission option, and that stupid turbo lag every time you tip the gas pedal. If I were buying a car in that class, I wouldn't touch either of them with a 10-foot pole. However, I did come away appreciating the BMW for what it was, whereas I couldn't wait to get out of the Mercedes.

This is a bit of a surprise for me. I think the current Mercedes C-Class is a better car than the current BMW 3-Series, and I have very fond memories of the 2012 Mercedes E-Class I drove last year. I fully expected the CLS and the 6 Gran Coupe to have their own virtues, but to be comparable overall. Instead, I can't imagine why anyone would go for the CLS.
 
I like the C class also but the turbo lag is a huge problem.

Surprised it is an issue in bigger engines though.
 
The A7 is the same kind of car for sure. It's a direct competitor. I've never driven one, so can't say how it'd compare...
 
I compared the Gran Coupe to the Audi A7; the Audi felt like an old man's car to me- think: Teutonic Park Avenue. I actually liked the 640i more than I expected, but I couldn't see owning one. I'd find a nice used B7 if I wanted a mile-munching long-range cruiser and I'd go with an E9x M3 or a 135is for a daily driver.
 
Originally Posted By: EType
I like the C class also but the turbo lag is a huge problem.

Surprised it is an issue in bigger engines though.

It takes a really big engine, really small turbos, and really good tuning for a turbo engine to even hold a candle to a half-decent naturally aspirated engine in terms of response.
 
Originally Posted By: MCompact
I actually liked the 640i more than I expected, but I couldn't see owning one.

This is pretty much exactly how I felt.
 
I find it surprising given that I have instant torque even at idle and no lag in my 135i. Different engine though I guess?

Lag desnt really bother me though when it does happen, like in my 300CD.
 
The N54 is by far the least laggy turbocharged engine I've driven. I still wouldn't take it over an N52, but it was VERY respectable in my memory.

I've only driven two cars in which I have found turbo lag tolerable, and I'm not entirely sure why:

1. A 2006 Saab 9-3 Aero.
2. A hugely modified track-ready Nissan 240SX that yielded the most hilarious and excellent experience I've ever had driving any car, ever.

Both cars felt good enough in other ways that I somehow didn't care about the poor throttle response. Again, I don't fully understand it; maybe it's down to some combination of what I expect from the car and how much I like it otherwise. Every other time I have driven a turbocharged car -- including ones that had better throttle response than the ones above -- I have seriously disliked it, and the throttle response was one big reason why.

The idea of a BMW with anything less than razor-sharp throttle response just... offends me somehow.
 
I think what bugs me about turbo lag in these kinds of cars is that they're supposed to feel tight and together in every way. Even when they're set up to be soft, they should still obey the driver accurately and predictably because that's part of what puts you at ease when you drive them. I can't be completely at ease when it's hard to tell what I'm going to get out of the gas pedal when I press it.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I think what bugs me about turbo lag in these kinds of cars is that they're supposed to feel tight and together in every way. Even when they're set up to be soft, they should still obey the driver accurately and predictably because that's part of what puts you at ease when you drive them. I can't be completely at ease when it's hard to tell what I'm going to get out of the gas pedal when I press it.


Precisely what car and driver said about the new M6 they tested. And precisely why I prefer a naturally aspirated motor.

It is worth noting that the only turbo car I ever appreciated the throttle response in was a BMW 335 with an aftermarket tuner on it. It was still muted a bit but the best I ever drove (yet!).
 
I must not be too critical but I did not notice turbo lag on BMW 535 test drive. My frame of reference for turbo lag and torque steer is from 1990 Diamond Star Motors (Talon/Eclipse), so for me the BMW had no turbo lag from my perspective.
 
Did the 535i you drove have the older twin-turbo engine (N54), or the newer single-turbo engine (N55)? If you don't know, do you remember what model year it was? The twin-turbo one does a pretty good job of minimizing lag.

Either way, I'm definitely biased, so feel free to take my comments with a bag of salt...
 
It's not just lag, it's the weird ebb and flow of the power. It just doesn't feel right in many newer cars as the pcm is constantly pulling timing, cutting the throttle, bleeding boost, etc.
 
I disagree I think the CLS is a better car. The 6 has poor visibility and a cramped not really impressive interior.

I think the 7 series is a better car, and its cheaper to lease than a 6!
 
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