@edyvw, you are still misunderstanding me for some inexplicable reason. You are ascribing to me positions that I am not making. That is known as a red herring argument. Please stop it.API standards and consequently ILSAC, are not as stringent as BMW LL17. That is the point.
Your post might be misleading for some members thinking that API might matter. You can go to your local Wal Mart and find plenty API SP, ILSAC GF6 oils. But you won’t find any LL17FE.
what you refer as important, is actually “lesser” club, for lack of better word.
Go back and read my posts carefully, please. They do not say what you apparently think they do. I posted nothing that is in any way misleading. As a Motul customer yourself you should be as thrilled as I am that they are evolving their products to meet many of the newest standards.
There must be others on this forum who are looking for the similar features in their oils as I am (but apparently not you), and I was trying to do them a favor. That's all there is to it!