Bit the Bullet! 2015 Venza V6

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by KrisZ
It sucks to be on the receiving, doesn't it?

I'm just LOL'ing at a VW owner talking smack about Toyota reliability and engineering. He also likes to defend Dodge, etc. None of this is ever backed with anything but his opinions, while he ignores every compilation of data available from CR, Edmunds, JD Power, TrueDelta, and so forth.

I thought you are pumping iron?

 

[4WD]

No, I told you - crushing cars ...

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by KrisZ
It sucks to be on the receiving, doesn't it?

I'm just LOL'ing at a VW owner talking smack about Toyota reliability and engineering. He also likes to defend Dodge, etc. None of this is ever backed with anything but his opinions, while he ignores every compilation of data available from CR, Edmunds, JD Power, TrueDelta, and so forth.

I thought you are pumping iron?

No, but leaving to go do that, now, actually. Probably talk smack between sets.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by 4WD
No, I told you - crushing cars ...

Now, that escalated fast.

 

[wag123]

Originally Posted by edyvw
My BMW before this SIenna could be parked inside Sienna, yet it packs 600lbs more.
You had a BMW that was physically smaller than your Sienna and weighed over 5400lbs? Which BMW model was that?

Originally Posted by edyvw
my BMW had diesel engine that was much more frugal
Your diesel BMW was more frugal than a gas engine AWD 4800lb 7 passenger vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick? Go figure! Why is it that you aren't still driving that wonderful frugal BMW today (instead of the hated Sienna)?

Originally Posted by edyvw
No, 2GR-FE is NOT best V6, it is good V6, but it is not best.
I said... "The 2GR-FE is an excellent engine, maybe the best V/6 on the market." IMO, IT IS an excellent engine. So, in your opinion, who is manufacturing a better, more economical, more reliable, and more durable V/6 today? WHO?

Originally Posted by edyvw
The problem that customers of Toyota have, any time someone mentions issue with Toyota, is that they think it is an attempt by others to question their decision making process. Like someone is questioning whether you made good decision buying SIenna, Venza or whatever.
You ARE the someone who is questioning weather the person made good decision buying a Toyota product, in every Toyota thread that you weigh-in on, and you DO criticize their buying decision while spewing out hateful rhetoric about Toyota products in every one of those threads.

Originally Posted by edyvw
I gave concrete advice to OP. Get engine block heater. Yet, there are immediately Toyota fan boys to say: nope, you might be freezing inside, BUT, you should be privileged doing so.
You completely ignored TMoto when he told you TWICE that he was not having any problem with his 2013 Venza warming up, so your "concrete advice" is not applicable to the Venza from the personal experience of an actual owner. You have also ignored my explanation as to why Siennas take so long to warm up, and, when I told you TWICE that your "concrete advice" block heater was not going to accomplish what you are trying to do (only a circulating tank-type heater will), something that you have already discovered for yourself.

Rolla, don't pay any attention to edy, he is a Toyota hater. Everyone I have ever met who actually owns a Venza likes it.

 

[PimTac]

Just the mention of Toyota brings out edy.

To the OP, you will enjoy the Venza.

 

[wag123]

You are long on delusional personal opinions and short on facts edy.

1. I grew-up in Wisconsin so I know what block heaters and circulating tank-type heaters are and do, and I know how each of them work FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I have personally owned vehicles that were equipped with both types of heaters, so I am giving YOU some concrete advice (which you have summarily dismissed). Circulating tank-type heaters heat ALL of the coolant in the engine and heating system, not just one cylinder bank of the engine. FYI, in Wisconsin it can get colder than 30 below zero (that is a REAL 30 below, not wind chill) and 20 below is fairly common. I have personally lived/worked/driven in this kind of extreme cold (that is one good reason why I moved to Texas).
2. TMoto told you TWICE that he was not having any problem with his 2013 Venza warming up, so your advice to the OP was not valid. ONCE AGAIN, the problem you are having with your Sienna is NOT the engine itself, it is a characteristic of the Sienna's design (since I told you that I am experiencing the very same slow to warm-up situation on my Sienna that has a completely different engine). You are not listening! Other Toyota products that have the 2GR-FE do not have a slow to warm-up problem, as others who own them have mentioned.
3. Modern diesel engines do not take longer to warm-up than gas engines.
4. Coil packs do not have a history of commonly failing on Toyota products like they do on VW/Audi products. I have NEVER had to replace one on ANY of my Toyotas (I know that you have on your VW). Also, unlike many VW/Audi products, having to replace a timing chain and/or tensioner (or engine when it fails) is not a common problem on Toyotas.
5. Mercedes does manufacture a very good V/6, and IMO it would be an excellent V/6 if they could stop them from leaking. IMO Audi and VW V/6s are not even close, Nissan and Honda both manufacture better, more reliable, and more durable V/6s than they do.
6. If you think that your Sienna weighs 4600lbs you are AT LEAST 200lbs off. Go get it weighed. I got mine weighed, it was just under 4600lbs, and it is a FWD LE. BMW has the X5 XDrive 35d weighing 4875lbs, not 5200lbs. Other FACTS to consider... everything else being equal, a transverse engine FWD chassis weighs less than a longitudinal engine RWD chassis, and, the BMW turbo-diesel I6 engine weighs at least 200lbs more than the Toyota gas V/6 engine.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by wag123
You are long on delusional personal opinions and short on facts edy.

1. I grew-up in Wisconsin so I know what block heaters and circulating tank-type heaters are and do, and I know how each of them work FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I have personally owned vehicles that were equipped with both types of heaters, so I am giving YOU some concrete advice (which you have summarily dismissed). Circulating tank-type heaters heat ALL of the coolant in the engine and heating system, not just one cylinder bank of the engine. FYI, in Wisconsin it can get colder than 30 below zero (that is a REAL 30 below, not wind chill) and 20 below is fairly common. I have personally lived/worked/driven in this kind of extreme cold (that is one good reason why I moved to Texas).
2. TMoto told you TWICE that he was not having any problem with his 2013 Venza warming up, so your advice to the OP was not valid. ONCE AGAIN, the problem you are having with your Sienna is NOT the engine itself, it is a characteristic of the Sienna's design (since I told you that I am experiencing the very same slow to warm-up situation on my Sienna that has a completely different engine). You are not listening! Other Toyota products that have the 2GR-FE do not have a slow to warm-up problem, as others who own them have mentioned.
3. Modern diesel engines do not take longer to warm-up than gas engines.
4. Coil packs do not have a history of commonly failing on Toyota products like they do on VW/Audi products. I have NEVER had to replace one on ANY of my Toyotas (I know that you have on your VW). Also, unlike many VW/Audi products, having to replace a timing chain and/or tensioner (or engine when it fails) is not a common problem on Toyotas.
5. Mercedes does manufacture a very good V/6, and IMO it would be an excellent V/6 if they could stop them from leaking. IMO Audi and VW V/6s are not even close, Nissan and Honda both manufacture better, more reliable, and more durable V/6s than they do.
6. If you think that your Sienna weighs 4600lbs you are AT LEAST 200lbs off. Go get it weighed. I got mine weighed, it was just under 4600lbs, and it is a FWD LE. BMW has the X5 XDrive 35d weighing 4875lbs, not 5200lbs. Other FACTS to consider... everything else being equal, a transverse engine FWD chassis weighs less than a longitudinal engine RWD chassis, and, the BMW turbo-diesel I6 engine weighs at least 200lbs more than the Toyota gas V/6 engine.

So you have experience of effects of block heater in OTHER vehicles? Last time I opened hood in my car it was Toyota sign not Dodge or GM or Nissan.
I am not expecting that block heater will warm up coolant to 212f. However, it warms up coolant just enough to have some heating at first stop sign some 100 yards away, or I can wait some 3-4 miles for anything meaningful, and very often waiting people to drop their children at school some 150 yard away, while idling, not warming up engine at all pretty much, while having 2 year old in the back. But, do tell me more what winters Wisconsin has (I have no idea where is that), and how block heaters worked in other vehicles.
2013 BMW X5 35d with sport package has 5,198lbs. Get you numbers better. As for which V6 is better, yes it is your opinion, as all this stuff here is.
Coil packs on Toyota will fail. if they do not good. But, considering price and amount of work necessary if they fail, it is easier to just change them.
Now, OP can always call you for comfort in case he listens your advice which comes to: I bought this car, so it must be best.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by edyvw
But, do tell me more what winters Wisconsin has (I have no idea where is that)

Wisconsin

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by edyvw
But, do tell me more what winters Wisconsin has (I have no idea where is that)

Wisconsin

I have no clue what is Google too.

 

[HangFire]

Hmm. Make repeated broad negative and often incorrect generalizations about all cars of a marque, and then when called on it, accuse the objectors of temper tantrums, insecurity and being emotional high school girls. Mmmm OK.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by edyvw
But, do tell me more what winters Wisconsin has (I have no idea where is that)

Wisconsin

I have no clue what is Google too.

Oh, thanks for the laugh, it's going to be a great weekend, hehe.

Hey, what are we arguing about now? How'd we get from "is a Venza an ok vehicle" to "what's winter like in Wisconsin"? Awesome thread drift. Maybe someone can post some photos of weekend exploits to round this thread out.

 

[wag123]

Originally Posted by edyvw
So you have experience of effects of block heater in OTHER vehicles? Last time I opened hood in my car it was Toyota sign not Dodge or GM or Nissan.
What did I just tell you? To reiterate, I have in-fact had block heaters AND circulating tank-type heaters in several vehicles when I lived in Wisconsin. What does the brand of vehicle have to do with the basic function of one of these devices?

Originally Posted by edyvw
I am not expecting that block heater will warm up coolant to 212f. However, it warms up coolant just enough to have some heating at first stop sign some 100 yards away, or I can wait some 3-4 miles for anything meaningful, and very often waiting people to drop their children at school some 150 yard away, while idling, not warming up engine at all pretty much, while having 2 year old in the back.
For the forth time, from personal experience I can tell you that an engine block heater in a V/6 Sienna is NOT going to accomplish what it is that you are tying to do. You can continue to summarily dismiss what I am telling you, or you can take my advice, install a circulating tank-type heater, and be happy.

Originally Posted by edyvw
But, do tell me more what winters Wisconsin has
Do I REALLY need to tell you more about Wisconsin winters than 20-30 below zero?

Originally Posted by edyvw
2013 BMW X5 35d with sport package has 5,198lbs. Get you numbers better.
Not according to BMW... https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/x-models/x5/x5-xdrive35d/specifications.html/, get your numbers better.

 

[M56959]

Bickering Insults and Profanity. Locked.

Enjoy your new Venza OP!