Bimmerpost says no to 0w40 but not here?

[edyvw]

I don't think it's wrong for people to make decisions about which product to buy based on their own personal criteria, that's fine and people are always going to be a bit superstitious about this kind of thing.

It just rubs me the wrong way when people make sweeping assertions about the quality of a product just because a number comes out slightly lower on a VOA or X base stock is used instead of Y. We have 0 idea what kind of R&D went in and a consumer spectral analysis sheet can only show us so much.

Motor oil formulation is a game of give some, take some. People get too caught up when there's a bit of take to get a certain result in a final product. How it performs in the real world and which stringent approvals are there to back its performance is what matters. That is all.

And as I said, if you read what was discussed you would not make statement “I hate when people make statements based on VOA.”
Where did I make statement based on VOA? So, please enlighten me here.
Of course you can make decision which oil to buy. You can use sunflower oil as far as I am concerned.
However, this debate and another one about Castrol come to confirmation bias: “I bought oil therefore it must be good because I bought it.”

 

[JD!]

And as I said, if you read what was discussed you would not make statement “I hate when people make statements based on VOA.”
Where did I make statement based on VOA? So, please enlighten me here.
Of course you can make decision which oil to buy. You can use sunflower oil as far as I am concerned.
However, this debate and another one about Castrol come to confirmation bias: “I bought oil therefore it must be good because I bought it.”

Sorry, maybe you made your statement off of Mobil's PDF regarding the ZDDP levels in their products? I really don't know what you're getting at here.

Regarding your previous question, you're reading me the riot act because there are ten years of discussions about a subject on this forum and I criticized you for making a sweeping generalization about said topic.

I just don't know how you can simultaneously argue that I'm missing a decade of nuance while my criticism was merely the lack of nuance in your statement that X oil is automatically a better final product because it uses Y base stock instead of Z, or because it has 100-200ppm greater phosphorous or whatever.

And again, I am not shilling for a particular product. I use Mobil ESP 0w-30. I'm sure it's a great product.

That's all I've got. This isn't going anywhere... clearly I can't change your opinion, it's your second pissing match in this thread alone.

 

[edyvw]

Sorry, maybe you made your statement off of Mobil's PDF regarding the ZDDP levels in their products? I really don't know what you're getting at here.

Regarding your previous question, you're reading me the riot act because there are ten years of discussions about a subject on this forum and I criticized you for making a sweeping generalization about said topic.

I just don't know how you can simultaneously argue that I'm missing a decade of nuance while my criticism was merely the lack of nuance in your statement that X oil is automatically a better final product because it uses Y base stock instead of Z, or because it has 100-200ppm greater phosphorous or whatever.

And again, I am not shilling for a particular product. I use Mobil ESP 0w-30. I'm sure it's a great product.

That's all I've got. This isn't going anywhere... clearly I can't change your opinion, it's your second pissing match in this thread alone.

It has esters in it.
You mentioned ZDDP, I just answered.
Noack is only 0.4% higher, which tells that base stocks are better. 5W30, the previous version, had same base stocks and Noack was 7.1%. I used that oil back then. With new base stocks Noack went up to 8.7%.
Additive package, not just ZDDP, is richer, and actually SAPS levels above 0.8% in testing.
I posted detailed translation of this product analysis from oil.ru on other topic. Not planing to do every time this topic pops up.
We are discussing two products available for the same price at the same place (Wal Mart). This is not discussion whether oil is sufficient, but why one is better choice.

 

[RedEnsign]

Well, Group VII?
Only 5W40 OTS that I would buy is Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40. And we will see where that goes now that GTL plant in Qatar is out of commission.
Mobil 1 0W40 has lower Noack than any OTS 5W40, especially Castrol 5W40 which is above 10% (SN version was 11%).
I tracked my BMW with Movil1 0W40 and was pushing it to 300f temperature. Still ran 5k OCI. Did same with Castrol Edge 0W40.

Doesn't Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 have the lowest noack?

I don't know about the States, but Walmart Canada has Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 on sale for $35, plus the $20 rebate when you buy two....that's cheaper than supertech and kirkland atm. Maybe they're clearing stock for api sq?

Mobil 1 also has a rebate, and it's on sale at Canadian tire. 0w40 $37 a jug, minus $25 when you buy 3, plus $10 collected from CT offers....some armor all included.

It's literally cheaper to change the oil twice, with great oil, than to fill the tank with premium gas.....crazy

Flush with Pennzoil Platinum Euro, run Mobil 1 0w40 on short oci's. If that doesn't keep the engine clean, then it's time to give Elon a call, lol.

 

[edyvw]

Doesn't Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 have the lowest noack?

I don't know about the States, but Walmart Canada has Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 on sale for $35, plus the $20 rebate when you buy two....that's cheaper than supertech and kirkland atm. Maybe they're clearing stock for api sq?

Mobil 1 also has a rebate, and it's on sale at Canadian tire. 0w40 $37 a jug, minus $25 when you buy 3, plus $10 collected from CT offers....some armor all included.

It's literally cheaper to change the oil twice, with great oil, than to fill the tank with premium gas.....crazy

Flush with Pennzoil Platinum Euro, run Mobil 1 0w40 on short oci's. If that doesn't keep the engine clean, then it's time to give Elon a call, lol.

It does. Pennzoil Platinum Euro or Shell Helix Ultra, is the premier product for Shell. What is Mobil 1 0W40 for XOM, and 5W40 Ultra is for Shell.
I think Noack is 5.7%.
Motomaster is actually repackaged PPE.

Not sure I understand about "flushing."

 

[Japanese]

Motomaster is actually repackaged PPE.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Not that I've seen that oil in the US though. It says "Developed with Shell technology".
Canadian Tire MotoMaster 5W-40

 

[edyvw]

Interesting, I didn't know that. Not that I've seen that oil in the US though. It says "Developed with Shell technology".
Canadian Tire MotoMaster 5W-40

It is Canadian Tire brand.

 

[RedEnsign]

It does. Pennzoil Platinum Euro or Shell Helix Ultra, is the premier product for Shell. What is Mobil 1 0W40 for XOM, and 5W40 Ultra is for Shell.
I think Noack is 5.7%.
Motomaster is actually repackaged PPE.

Not sure I understand about "flushing."

Flush/Rinse. I was one of those idiots who used too much old castrol 5w40, in the Audi 3.0T. Pcv didn't last long. Thinking a better oil with lower noack would've helped. It's hard to learn 'why' to do things the right way, when there's so much noise.

Just thinking about passing more oil through the engine.

 

[lrk185]

Sorry, maybe you made your statement off of Mobil's PDF regarding the ZDDP levels in their products? I really don't know what you're getting at here.

Regarding your previous question, you're reading me the riot act because there are ten years of discussions about a subject on this forum and I criticized you for making a sweeping generalization about said topic.

I just don't know how you can simultaneously argue that I'm missing a decade of nuance while my criticism was merely the lack of nuance in your statement that X oil is automatically a better final product because it uses Y base stock instead of Z, or because it has 100-200ppm greater phosphorous or whatever.

And again, I am not shilling for a particular product. I use Mobil ESP 0w-30. I'm sure it's a great product.

That's all I've got. This isn't going anywhere... clearly I can't change your opinion, it's your second pissing match in this thread alone.

Maybe check the join date and post counts before you start lecturing one of the resident experts on how motor oil formulation works. Criticizing edyvw or any veteran on the forums is a pretty bold strategy for someone who just showed up.

 

[JD!]

Maybe check the join date and post counts before you start lecturing one of the resident experts on how motor oil formulation works. Criticizing edyvw or any veteran on the forums is a pretty bold strategy for someone who just showed up.
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The number of posts you've made on some random web forum is not a measure of credibility in *any* subject matter, and does not denote expertise. Industry experience, certifications, education, and peer-reviewed research are, and unless one is able to produce evidence of such, you take any statement as a free opinion that's worth about as much as you paid for it. That statement presumably applies to everyone in this thread, and I am happy to admit that my education in engines and tribology are limited to a couple of classes at most.

Since the number of posts we have are apparently so important, let me let you in on a secret about this site as someone who has 6 times more than you... this site is mostly just an exchange of personal thoughts and beliefs. A minority of what goes on here are what you might call "scientific" discussions.

Opinions and personal experience can be very valuable, but they should be questioned.

 

[bigjl]

I have a Gen 2 B58 looking for 0w30 or 5w30 located in Vegas. I see 0w40 being recommended here but it's not recommended in bimmerpost.

For example: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2230344

Any idea why that is? Also is Castrol EDGE Euro 5w30 A3/B4 fine to use on a 2022 b58?

Bimmerpost has a lot of people who don’t realise there is a World outside the USA and Canada.

As such their world view is rather constricted.

They don’t understand that BMW Specs the B58 for LL04 and 5w40 outside the USA and Canada.

It is likely CAFE Regs that meant BMW removed that information from the USA and Canada markets