BFG K02 or LTX ?? 2015 Silverado

[MNgopher]

Its Lake Wobegon... Where all the Children are above average...

Not just one poster either...

but statements like this amuse me... "Tires on my pickup have to deal with a wide range of stuff that the average pickup doesn't see often, if at all."

A bit presumptuous, no?

The use is what it is. It isn't above some average - it is a specific set of conditions used to select a tire. It doesn't make a highway tire a below average tire - just not a good choice for off road situations.

In this case, the OP's conditions were for a road tire, with good snow performance. No off road (or above average as other have put it). Seems he got a nice set of LTX Defenders that should be an excellent choice for that application.

 

[SteveSRT8]

^^^Nailed it!

 

[4WD]

I nail tires too often

 

[4WD]

100% - I'm the odd man out who replaced horrible OEM's (Hankook) with Goodyear GT and very pleased with them ...
I did step up 1 size wider - but down one on aspect ratio kept them similar OD ...
They are mainly highway - but got a little dirty this weekend ...

 

[TiredTrucker]

Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Its Lake Wobegon... Where all the Children are above average...

Not just one poster either...

but statements like this amuse me... "Tires on my pickup have to deal with a wide range of stuff that the average pickup doesn't see often, if at all."

A bit presumptuous, no?

The use is what it is. It isn't above some average - it is a specific set of conditions used to select a tire. It doesn't make a highway tire a below average tire - just not a good choice for off road situations.

In this case, the OP's conditions were for a road tire, with good snow performance. No off road (or above average as other have put it). Seems he got a nice set of LTX Defenders that should be an excellent choice for that application.


No. It is common knowledge, by most folks and definitely the OEM's, that the majority of personal use pickups are mostly transportation and only get used infrequently at best to do anything off road. They might tow something, but that is about it. And off road doesn't mean one just left the asphalt. It means no road. Just look at pickup owner forums. They are more concerned with LED lights to have their pickup look like a rolling casino and clay bar procedures on their paint. God forbid they might actually get some cornstalks crammed in the suspension or belly out the ride going over a hillside terrace. They cry like someone just shot their favorite dog, over a spot of rust they found on the frame. If their engine compartment isn't spotless and protectant rubbed into the engine cover so that it is nice and glossy, they are going to take a day off from work to rectify that injustice. They would be having a fit to hear rocks pinging of the underside going down a gravel road.

And my original point was, "it all depends on what you do and where you do it" as for what works best. And then I stated I had given the M/S2's a look see and decided they would not fit my needs, and then explained why. Simple. Folks could see if what they do fits in that mold and make a note to themselves, or they could determine that it wasn't what they do and they don't have to worry. I never told anyone what they should do. My only dig at a product was the original factory Michelin LTX AT2's that they were lousy. But that seemed to get some folk's panties all in a wad. Usually when something like a simple explanation for a choice causes so much grief, it pays to take a look at the individual having a fit as to why. And I can think of several reasons. But my major in college was not psychology. Only had a couple of elective courses.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
I nail tires too often

haha, I realize it was a poor choice of a metaphor for a tire discussion!

 

[SteveSRT8]

Your dig at OEM tires was misinformed. As Capriracer has said many times, OEM are NOT the same as aftermarket tires.

"Look" all you want, but this is the Internet. No one is visible. Imagining you know folks is laughable...

 

[Bighorn2500]

Defender LTX M/S may serve you better in the long run. I just picked up some LTX A/T2 for my three season tires for a great price myself off craigslist or I was going to buy the Defender LTX M/S myself. I've had the BFG KO previously and they look great and go through mostly anything you throw at them but as I get older the smooth and quiet refined ride of a Michelin with the longer wearing tread just makes more sense.

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


But that is true of any OE tire, regardless of brand."

Ironically this was in another recent thread about Michelin LTX


So in other words, you have no evidence to present that the LTX MS/2 is made in any one size, to two different standards?

 

[Hokiefyd]

In many cases, there is only one part number for a particular tire in a particular size. If that part number is used at the OEM level, then what you buy at Costco is the exact same tire that gets installed at the factory.

The Primacy MXV4s on our MDX are the OEM tire on the Honda Odyssey. P235/65R17; there's just one SKU (66126). Michelin doesn't make a 66126-1 that gets shipped to the Lincoln, Alabama, plant to be installed on new vans, and a 66126-2 that goes to the aftermarket distribution channels. It's the same tire.

Michelin's website used to offer a very nice and easy-to-access full spec page for each tire, showing the part numbers, the speed ratings, the OEM applications (if any), for each size of any one model. Since they re-designed their site to be mobile-friendly, that seems to have gone away. You can still find these details, but you have to look tires up by size. The LTX M/S2, for example, in P265/60R18, are OEM on the Toyota Tacoma. They're SKU 39274. If you buy this tire from the aftermarket, look at the SKU you're buying:

https://www.tires-easy.com/265-60-18/michelin-tires/ltx-m-s2/tirecode/39274

https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-LTX-All-Season-Radial-Tire/dp/B01DJXL0M6

http://www.tiresupplysc.com/browse/tires/Michelin-6/LTX-MS-2-19820/P26560R18-148936

https://simpletire.com/michelin-265-60r18-39274-tires

http://www.kauffmantire.com/tire/M39274.html

If you can find a Michelin LTX M/S2 in P265/60R18 size that has a different Michelin part number, that would be very interesting indeed!

Another example: Michelin Premier LTX in P245/60R18 is OEM on the Lincoln MKX. SKU 62570. Can you guess the part number of the Premier LTX in P245/60R18 sold at Costco? I'll give you a hint...

http://tires2.costco.com/product.aspx?It...2b-ee490a985daf

There are some cases where there are multiple part numbers for a tire in a given size -- one (or more) used at the OEM level, and perhaps one used at the aftermarket level. To be frank, I personally see less and less of this. If a manufacturer is already making a contract tire for the factory, that's probably the exact same version they're shipping to distributors. This is very evident with GM tires -- you can see the large "TPC" number branded on the sidewall, a GM requirement.

http://www.mycertifiedservice.com/tire-sidewall.html

It's very common to see a tire sold at a Goodyear or a Michelin store with the TPC number -- because it's the very same version as the one installed at the GM factory. I think tire manufacturers see efficiencies in building just one version of a specific tire model and size. Consumers often don't know the difference.

I think both statements can be true at the same time. An OEM tire is indeed formulated and built differently than the same tire otherwise would have been if it wasn't being made under contract. At the same time, what you buy at Costco or Tire Rack often IS the very same tire as what gets shipped to the factory, because the tire manufacturer isn't making a dedicated "aftermarket" version of that specific tire in that specific size.

 

[4WD]

All about "how many" in a mass purchase and they will set up a run - look at the Discount Tire "exclusive" versions made just for them by big players ...

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


But that is true of any OE tire, regardless of brand."

Ironically this was in another recent thread about Michelin LTX


So in other words, you have no evidence to present that the LTX MS/2 is made in any one size, to two different standards?


I have much better things to do, thanks. Do you get what I said at all?

Frankly it could be built to dozens of differing standards as specified by the OEM who made the car or truck it is on. This was provided by Capri racer an industry insider.

I have neither the time or the patience to look all of them up for you, I have no dog in your "fight".

 

[HangFire]

So frankly you feel free to make claims based on one insider's opinion and zero facts.

Got it.

 

[Rand]

Originally Posted By: HangFire
So frankly you feel free to make claims based on one insider's opinion and zero facts.

Got it.


Could you take your off-topic thread dump elsewhere. Also, your foolish comments towards capriracer's knowledge and integrity are unwarranted.


And yes there are OEM versions of tires. And no I'm not going to go waste my time finding links for you.

I will give you one example there is a hankook tire with 2 versions one LRR and one that is not... guess which one is an oem tire

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted By: Rand
Could you take your off-topic thread dump elsewhere. Also, your foolish comments towards capriracer's knowledge and integrity are unwarranted.

I never questioned capriracer's knowledge or integrity. Please re-read. What I questioned was someone else's logical fallacy of "appeal to authority".
Originally Posted By: Rand
And yes there are OEM versions of tires. And no I'm not going to go waste my time finding links for you.

Never said their wasn't. There are OEM versions of the MS/2. I only said there is no evidence of the same size MS/2 being made in 2 different versions.
Originally Posted By: Rand
I will give you one example there is a hankook tire with 2 versions one LRR and one that is not... guess which one is an oem tire

Really? How irrelevant to LTX MS/2's.