best synthetic oil

[Arved]

Originally Posted By: otrdriver725
when i was at walmart today i was looking at oil filters and a guy that was buying some oil told me to use the fram oil filters so i bought 6 of them. should i take them back? what is wrong with fram. he told me they are the best you can buy.


Last time I checked, FRAM was still using cardboard end caps on the filter, rather than metal as everyone else does. Now, some people claim that the cardboard is stiffer than the paper filter anyway, so they doubt it's the weak link in an oil filter. Still, if they're willing to cut corners like that, what does it say about the rest of the filter?

FRAM is also the only manufacturer to have an NHTSA recall on it's filters. Many years ago, and on a motorcycle filter fitment, but still...

AC Delco would be a safe bet for your truck. If you want "the best," you'd be looking at a filter with synthetic media. Mobil 1, K&N, and perhaps a few others.

Ditto everyone elses comments about the lunacy of running 20W50 in a modern motor. Maybe in your grandfather's Edsel, but certainly nothing made in the last 10 years.

Good luck with the new/used truck!

 

[lazaro]

20w50 oil in cold climate and in a newer engine will be like trying to pour cold honey on a sliding glass door to make slide better and keep it quiet.
stick with 5w30 minimum and 0w20 would be an option in your cold climate. as far as best synthetic, every mineral oil company sells FULLY SYNTHETIC oil. or you could look to the actual SYNTHETIC oil companies for lasting Value.
Synthetic oil does not contain mineral base oil, or it is just overpriced mineral oil!
If you want to change it often like you mentioned maybe your better off with mineral oil?
I personally don't like working in cold weather.
if you look into used oil analysis maybe you could do longer drain intervals, like 10,000 miles safely instead of 3,000 miles

 

[drivewaytech]

otr, my suggestion would be MotorCraft 5W-30 at 5000 mile change intervals. MotorCraft is a semi-synthetic, excellent motor oil, very affordable, and available at Wal-Mart. If you want "the best" for your truck, then I would suggest contacting Pablo or Gary Allen (Amsoil reps found on this forum) to glean expert advice and product.

Also,

and enjoy your new ride.

 

[Pablo]

Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up, so I'm not sure where you learned "better than that".

Use Amsoil XL 5-30 for a change or two.

 

[rg200amp]

Any API SM oil will work great!
Supertech is not the "best" oil out there.
DO not use a 20w50! 5w30 is what should be used. I would really like know why you would think you know more about what this engine needs than the engineers who built it and speced 5w30.

I would recommend useing Pennzoil Platnium with a 7500 OCI.

Wix/Napa gold filters a very good option too.

Welcome to the board. Please read around, there's lots to learn.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Pablo - Yopu said this:
"Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up,.........."

Really?

I suggest sticking with the Manufactuer's recommendations in relationship to prevailing ambient temperatures

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - Yopu said this:
"Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up,.........."

Really?
I agree with Pabs 1000%

Check out where the OP lives.

 

[HM12460]

20W-50 is an incredibly poor choice in northern mn, especially in winter time. i second what rg200amp said.

 

[duaneb9729]

its nice to see another Minnesota guy here! welcome to the board!

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - Yopu said this:
"Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up,.........."

Really?

I suggest sticking with the Manufactuer's recommendations in relationship to prevailing ambient temperatures


Nice edit. Yes I meant what I wrote. Not sure why you question everything I write. But the data I'm looking at shows exactly that. Now if it were synthetic 20W-50 on a 112°F (44.4 °C) day in the outback, well perhaps it would be a wash.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Pablo - You should know I an not a "thick" man - you may think so however! I only question statements that may be unable to be supported in fact - and you sell lubricants - I don't!

The data on here (and on my database) does NOT show excessive wear with 20W-50 lubricants (mineral or otherwise) - in fact in some engines it shows less wear when measured via UOAs (which of course are inconclusive)

This is the case with many Porsche (and other) engines using a variety of lubricants - both mineral, semi-synthetic and fully synthetic

Perhaps it may be better to say that the engine will not perform optimally if a more viscous lubricant is used than that specified for the prevailing ambient!

As for my edit - study what my position has been on this since joining BITOG (and for decades before)! I simply missed inserting it - sorry!!!

 

[ZZman]

Use what the manufacturer says.
If you use Syn oil don't waste it on short oil changes. Go at least 5,000 miles. More like the 7500-10,000 miles.

The best Syn Oils in my opinion would be Amsoil and Redline if cost is no option. If cost is an issue either Pennzoil Platinum, Mobil 1 or Valvoline Synpower are good.

Use a better filter like Purolator Pure Ones, Napa Golds, Carquest Blues, Mobil 1's, Amsoil Eao or K&N. They use better filter media.

 

[scoobie]

20w50 is the worst possible choice. for myself, in the winter,
i mix 50:50 5w20/5w30 synthetic, even though the manual calls for 5w30, but you can use whatever choice of oil matches your budget, since modern SM oils are excellent, except i would recommend Motorcraft, because it has excellent cold properties, and excellent wear, or SuperTech - a cheap but highly reputable synthetic,
or if you want the ultimate and don't mind spending just a little more, then go with a Site Sponsor oil. If you're using your truck to plow snow, then use the heavier 5w30, instead of 5w25, and in that case i would definitely use a synthetic of some sort.

 

[buster]

While under warranty, Synpower and PP are great choices if concerned about API. If you want something better I'd look into Amsoil 5w30.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - You should know I an not a "thick" man - you may think so however! I only question statements that may be unable to be supported in fact - and you sell lubricants - I don't!

The data on here (and on my database) does NOT show excessive wear with 20W-50 lubricants (mineral or otherwise) - in fact in some engines it shows less wear when measured via UOAs (which of course are inconclusive)

This is the case with many Porsche (and other) engines using a variety of lubricants - both mineral, semi-synthetic and fully synthetic


Never said you were a "thick" man. I really don't think that much about you or the oils you choose, other than you say a lot, and ask others/me for data.....yet we rarely/never see your data. I never said in All cases 20W-50 increases wear. In fact you wrote "....show excessive wear with 20W-50 lubricants..." When the [censored] did I say that Doug?? When???

I select my words carefully...so again let's see what I wrote:

"Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up, so I'm not sure where you learned "better than that"."

In response to a fellow, in Minnesota, in early winter: "I only want the best so i was thinking of using fully synthetic supertech oil but i can not seem to find it in 20w50. the manual says to use 5w30 but i know better than that."

Even some recent compiled data here shows some tendency of the less viscous oils within brands to show less wear. And my database certainly shows the same in cold country areas during winter. You can believe and think what you want, and you can continue with your "You sell oil....." spiel as if I'm hiding that fact or something.

The bottom line here Doug? I'm correct. If you want data, find the thread. If you think 20W-50 won't increase wear in this application, then say so, and show your data.

 

[dbvettez061]

what a redundant question.......

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Pablo - Rudeness is unbecoming of you?

I say a lot? I have 2424 Posts and you have 33119 - well now!

You said:
"Please don't use 20W-50 in your rig. Your wear will actually go up,.................."

I stick by my comment - use the viscosity that the Manufacturer suggests (preferably an Approved and Listed lubricant)according to the prevailing ambient!

 

[wgtoys]

I'm having trouble taking these questions seriously. The OP seems to be trying hard to hit ever online oil and filter hot button just to see how much posting and controversy can be stirred up.

 

[Pablo]

No more rudely than you treat me, sir.

"Really?"

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: wgtoys
I'm having trouble taking these questions seriously. The OP seems to be trying hard to hit ever online oil and filter hot button just to see how much posting and controversy can be stirred up.


I thought the same at first as well.