Best ESP For Audi 505 Spec 3.0T's ?

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Got excited when I found a great price on Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40 oil. I have 2 3.0T Audi's that call for the 505 spec. Then I read:
"Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 is recommended for high-performance engines requiring GPFs (gasoline particulate filters).
Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 can only be used in the vehicles for which it is approved."

Don't really need the "0", what would be the best ESP (or any other) oil for those engines? Mobil's site still calls for the 505 Mobil 1 FS 5W-40
 
Quadrasteer said:
Got excited when I found a great price on Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40 oil. I have 2 3.0T Audi's that call for the 505 spec. Then I read:
"Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 is recommended for high-performance engines requiring GPFs (gasoline particulate filters).
Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 can only be used in the vehicles for which it is approved."

Don't really need the "0", what would be the best ESP (or any other) oil for those engines? Mobil's site still calls for the 505 Mobil 1 FS 5W-40
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You don't have Audi that calls for 505.00 or 505.01.
You have Audi that calls for VW502.00 or VW504.00/507.00.

Get Mobil1 ESP 0W30 in Wal Mart.
 
edyvw said:
You don't have Audi that calls for 505.00 or 505.01.
You have Audi that calls for VW502.00 or VW504.00/507.00.

Get Mobil1 ESP 0W30 in Wal Mart.
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Since when?? An '18 A6 3.0 & a '17 Q5 3.0 shows 505. Is there a newer recommendation? My '14 A6 TDI is a 507...
 
Quadrasteer said:
Since when?? An '18 A6 3.0 & a '17 Q5 3.0 shows 505. Is there a newer recommendation? My '14 A6 TDI is a 507...
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Check again. 505.00 and 505.01 are obsolete approvals. In case of 505.00, it has been obsolete since 1995, and in the case of 505.01 since 2004.
Only, ONLY, way you will have 505.00 in manual is if there is mistake, and VW is actually known to recommend three different approvals for same vehicle. One in manual, on on oil cap and one on the sticker on bumper under the hood.
18 A6 and 17 Q5 will probably have VW 502.00 as back at that time, gasoline engines had to have full SAPS oils bcs. high sulphur gas. Since 01/2017 the US started to transition to ULSG, and all VW around 2018-19 switched to VW 504.00/507.00 and later to 0W20 VW 508.00/509.00.
Your engines, 3.0 superchargers, can use VW502.00 like Mobil1 0W40 FS, or VW504.00/507.00 oils like Mobil1 ESP. Personally, I would just get in Wal mart ESP 0W30.
 
edyvw said:
Check again. 505.00 and 505.01 are obsolete approvals. In case of 505.00, it has been obsolete since 1995, and in the case of 505.01 since 2004.
Only, ONLY, way you will have 505.00 in manual is if there is mistake, and VW is actually known to recommend three different approvals for same vehicle. One in manual, on on oil cap and one on the sticker on bumper under the hood.
18 A6 and 17 Q5 will probably have VW 502.00 as back at that time, gasoline engines had to have full SAPS oils bcs. high sulphur gas. Since 01/2017 the US started to transition to ULSG, and all VW around 2018-19 switched to VW 504.00/507.00 and later to 0W20 VW 508.00/509.00.
Your engines, 3.0 superchargers, can use VW502.00 like Mobil1 0W40 FS, or VW504.00/507.00 oils like Mobil1 ESP. Personally, I would just get in Wal mart ESP 0W30.
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Not to argue but then why do you still see the 505 spec all over, not that I don't understand that it's not the greatest spec but it's still specified on almost every site. It's on Audi sites, Mobil & other oil manufactures sites and on the bottles themselves. It's obviously still around. These are not old date sites, I'm going with The M1 0-40 X4 oil but I'm just saying that you still see the 505 spec everywhere.
 
Quadrasteer said:
Not to argue but then why do you still see the 505 spec all over, not that I don't understand that it's not the greatest spec but it's still specified on almost every site. It's on Audi sites, Mobil & other oil manufactures sites and on the bottles themselves. It's obviously still around. These are not old date sites, I'm going with The M1 0-40 X4 oil but I'm just saying that you still see the 505 spec everywhere.
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It is still current. But your Audi did not come with that recommendation. It is old spec. It is still used by many OLD VW's, like really old. VW kept it current, so manufacturers list it.
 
edyvw said:
It is still current. But your Audi did not come with that recommendation. It is old spec. It is still used by many OLD VW's, like really old. VW kept it current, so manufacturers list it.
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My '14, '17 and '18 Audis absolutely did come with that spec, even if it's an old spec. I think it still does. I'm not saying that there are not better oils today....This is from an Audi site.

Audi Q5 Oil Type​

Tuesday, 02 July, 2024

Audi Q5 Oil Specifications​

Audi provides detailed specifications for the lubricants to be used in its vehicles. Using the proper oil in your Audi Q5 is vital for optimal operation. It's best to use a fully synthetic motor oil in your Audi Q5. This means that the oil doesn't contain mineral oil, which can damage the engine.

Audi specifies several viscosity grades for the Q5: 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, and 5W-40, which meet the VW 502.00, VW 505.00, or VW 505.01 requirements. The first digit followed by a W indicates the performance of the oil in winter conditions, while the subsequent number indicates the oil viscosity, with lower numbers denoting thinner oil:

  • Oil type: Fully Synthetic.
  • Viscosity grades: 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, and 5W-40.
  • Specifications: VW 502.00, VW 505.00, and VW 505.01.
The oil must adhere to VW 502.00, VW 505.00, or VW 505.01 specifications. These stringent standards ensure that the oil meets Audi's performance and protection requirements for its engines and that your vehicle remains under warranty.
 
ESP X4 is likely to be or at least among the best oils that Mobil make. I would use it with confidence.
 
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Quadrasteer said:
Got excited when I found a great price on Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40 oil. I have 2 3.0T Audi's that call for the 505 spec. Then I read:
"Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 is recommended for high-performance engines requiring GPFs (gasoline particulate filters).
Mobil 1™ ESP X4 0W-40 can only be used in the vehicles for which it is approved."

Don't really need the "0", what would be the best ESP (or any other) oil for those engines? Mobil's site still calls for the 505 Mobil 1 FS 5W-40
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I have owned 2 3.0T's. The first one was previously abused and overheated the first day I drove it, burned oil like crazy. The second came came off a lease from a doctor, low miles and so clean.

One thing you need know about these engines is that they are powerful, and run HOT.

VW502/505 is the standard, keep it. I put VW504 M1 ESP 5w30 in the abused engine, as an experiment, and it burned oil much quicker than any VW502.

I have a recent oil analysis I will try to upload. Motul xcess gen2 5w40 SN. I did a double change to rid whatever mixture was in before, and start fresh. The oil tech didn't think it was necessary, but he was surprised how dirty the fresh oil was when it came out minutes later. This was talked about by Lake Speed jr. and I now believe is very important.

Don't bounce around from one oil to the next, mixing standards and formulas could increase wear actually. I was guilty of that, we all are. Find one you're confident in, and stick with it, stick with the standard SN or SP, and change it often.

M1 ESP X4 0w40 looks like premium stuff, but lot of API SP have very similar properties, they share the same additive packs. I wouldn't stress over getting the most expensive one on the market

These engines have been around for a while, owners have gone 200-300k miles with the old 5w40 SN formula no problems. Especially tuned, like a stage 2 single pulley, they all recommend 5w40. But if you really want to know what's going on, get a few oil kits. See exactly what your engine is saying.

I had some fuel dilution, hopefully it was due to the very cold winter starts and short trips, we will see on the next report. But as far as wear metals go, there isn't much room for improvement, the Motul 5w40 is doing it's job and I plan on going a little bit further with it this time.

If you're not tuned, grab any Euro 5w40 and call it a day.
 
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