Best Choice/Deal in the Midsize Market?

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Originally Posted By: dishdude

OP is looking for luxury,

Are we reading the same thread?
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He clearly stated he wants a midsize car, larger and more fun than his Corolla. He did not mention luxury. All the cars on his list are family sedans.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dishdude

OP is looking for luxury,

Are we reading the same thread?
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He clearly stated he wants a midsize car, larger and more fun than his Corolla. He did not mention luxury. All the cars on his list are family sedans.


That's probably a bit more accurate.

My main problems are the Corolla just feels cheap, unsafe, and terrible to drive.
-There is the drifting steering, that I have tried to no avail to fix, and there has not been a single thing I've read online that has really fixed the issue for anyone (aside from getting rid of the car). Things like new tires have only helped marginally at best. (The drift is side to side, not a pull, and I've had the car aligned already). Literally, taking your hands off the wheel results in the car going left, then right, then left, even on a perfectly-crowned road.
-Theres the wheel that moves a quarter turn on every bump in the road, requiring correction, as it makes no attempt to re-center itself.
-There is the vibration in the wheel, dead center feeling on the highway.
-The rear drum brakes suck, especially hitting one of the many Massachusetts potholes.
-I have to literally STAND on the gas to get the car to move on the highway, I want something with just enough hp to merge/pass comfortably, without revving to 5k.

So Quattro, that's pretty much what I want, larger, comfortable, and more fun/powerful. I do want a few niceties, because I want this purchase to last me a long time, even though my main goal is to remove a problem car from my life, I want to replace it with something I'll be happy with long term, not just a stop-gap.
 
The Dart GT with the new 2.4L might be a possibility. Good power, reliability and a long powertrain warranty. Roomy inside with a nice trunk. Excellent handling and a sweet interior. The Dodge Uconnect system is award winning. No [censored] CVT. No direct injection either, which IMO, is a good thing. Nice styling without being overly flashy.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dishdude

OP is looking for luxury,

Are we reading the same thread?
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He clearly stated he wants a midsize car, larger and more fun than his Corolla. He did not mention luxury. All the cars on his list are family sedans.


He did say he would take luxury cruiser over sporty, so I am standing by my suggestions!
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Verano would address all the issues he has with his current ride.
 
You're taking such an incredible hit trading in a 2011 car. You might as well get something certified pre-owned to mitigate the damage. You could save yourself thousands and still have the comfort of a warranty.
A 2010 Maxima would be a higher class of car than all those vehicles and you'll have tons of money left over for fuel and insurance.
 
The used car market is red hot right now, so it's a great time to trade a 2-3 year old car.

Not such a good time to buy a 2-3 year old car.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
The used car market is red hot right now, so it's a great time to trade a 2-3 year old car.

Not such a good time to buy a 2-3 year old car.


Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
You're taking such an incredible hit trading in a 2011 car. You might as well get something certified pre-owned to mitigate the damage. You could save yourself thousands and still have the comfort of a warranty.
A 2010 Maxima would be a higher class of car than all those vehicles and you'll have tons of money left over for fuel and insurance.


YES, YES....
Getting an OLDER but LUXO model would be my choice for an upgrade...the Maxima would be a good choice...orrrrrrr an Infinity G35/G37?...Though you might find the Maxima a more "gently" used used car.
 
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Going to take a beating for this one, but Dodge Avengers with the pentastar (3.6) are going for cheap right now. Neighbor just picked up a white one under 17k.

In the lighter Body, these can really go.....
 
I just got back from a road trip in a Hyundai Sonata. I definitely agree with your sentiments.

My vote is to buy a used Benz.
 
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Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
You're taking such an incredible hit trading in a 2011 car. You might as well get something certified pre-owned to mitigate the damage. You could save yourself thousands and still have the comfort of a warranty.
A 2010 Maxima would be a higher class of car than all those vehicles and you'll have tons of money left over for fuel and insurance.


Doesn't the Maxima still have a reliability nightmare CVT? They're also just as much of a gas hog as the Pentastar.

Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
You're taking such an incredible hit trading in a 2011 car. You might as well get something certified pre-owned to mitigate the damage. You could save yourself thousands and still have the comfort of a warranty.
A 2010 Maxima would be a higher class of car than all those vehicles and you'll have tons of money left over for fuel and insurance.


Definitely looking used as well, problem is, I just get less for a trade, and the used car market is so hot right now I really don't save much doing this. It's not like I want to take the hit, but I have to in order to not hate/fear my car.

Originally Posted By: KitaCam

YES, YES....
Getting an OLDER but LUXO model would be my choice for an upgrade...the Maxima would be a good choice...orrrrrrr an Infinity G35/G37?...Though you might find the Maxima a more "gently" used used car.


Both are wayyyy too expensive to insure (the region of 800/yr higher than my Corolla). If I struck it rich I'd get a luxury cruiser, but for now, I just want a comfortable ride. My insurance hates anything nissan.

There's no way I'm buying a used Benz, because my insurance hates them, and they're way too expensive to fix.

Originally Posted By: bigt61
The Dart GT with the new 2.4L might be a possibility. Good power, reliability and a long powertrain warranty. Roomy inside with a nice trunk. Excellent handling and a sweet interior. The Dodge Uconnect system is award winning. No [censored] CVT. No direct injection either, which IMO, is a good thing. Nice styling without being overly flashy.


I drove a 2.0 Dart a few months ago and loved it! Way better than the current Civic/Corolla, etc. Reminded my of my old RSX, they're so hot right now, that it was pretty expensive to get one with all the options I like. The 8.4 UConnect Navigation system was also lightyears ahead of the old 730n/430n systems.
 
From what I hear, 2014 Mazda6 is a good car, with good handling, fuel economy, and looks. On the downside, the navi system screen is small and somewhat old school, if you opt for that. However, even base models are relatively well equipped and are a good value. The base engine is 2.5L naturally aspirated engine, probably similar in power output to Honda and Ford I4 NA engines. There will be a 2.2L turbo diesel and an option available later this year. There is also the brand new 2014 Mazda6 if you want something smaller. The new skyactiv automatic transmission is supposedly pretty cool, combining a torque converter for low speed operation with a dual clutch transmission at higher speed.

Yes, I heard you have to have digital tach on Fusion if you get the technology package. If you buy a car with AT, why do you need a tach anyways? Personally I took forward to test drive Fusion, Mazda3, Mazda6, and maybe a VW Jetta.
 
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This mid size market is sooooo competitive isn't it?
It would be hard for me to decide easily due to all of the choices.

I do know which cars that I wouldn't buy but, I can't say without some extensive test driving, which car that I would buy.

I have a criteria and I do like 4 cyl engines compared to the V6 option as I haven't needed the extra power.

I prefer MPG over performance and I think that the 4 bangers have enough power for all of my needs/wants.

Comfort/quiet interior, non complicated interior controls, 360 degree outward vision(w/o backup camera) and MPG are all important to me. Style is in the eyes of the beholder so, it goes w/o saying!

'04 Altima('02-'06/3rd gen) is what I am driving now and it's fine in most catigories. And of course, we all want reliability! It's that too though, not known for it's quality, it's OK there also.
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I just don't know what I'd buy tomorrow! My first impressions are to go with the Camry, Accord, Altima. I like the mazda6 too but, Mazda's rust problems cause me to hesitate. I like the Malibu also but, I can't see well out of the interior! And the Chrysler is out as well due to too many problems that I have had with all 4 in the past between 73 & 97 and I don't believe they've gotten any better in their reliability(though others have good success, I haven't).
 
Originally Posted By: Zako2
From what I hear, 2014 Mazda6 is a good car, with good handling, fuel economy, and looks. On the downside, the navi system screen is small and somewhat old school, if you opt for that. However, even base models are relatively well equipped and are a good value. The base engine is 2.5L naturally aspirated engine, probably similar in power output to Honda and Ford I4 NA engines. There will be a 2.2L turbo diesel and an option available later this year. There is also the brand new 2014 Mazda6 if you want something smaller. The new skyactiv automatic transmission is supposedly pretty cool, combining a torque converter for low speed operation with a dual clutch transmission at higher speed.

Yes, I heard you have to have digital tach on Fusion if you get the technology package. If you buy a car with AT, why do you need a tach anyways? Personally I took forward to test drive Fusion, Mazda3, Mazda6, and maybe a VW Jetta.



Definitely going to give the Mazda another ride now. A N/A 4cyl w/6spd traditional auto seems like the balance I'm looking for. Haven't gotten a quote from the almighty insurance co on this one yet, tho.

I guess I really don't need a tach, though since I can't shift on my own, I like to gauge where my RPMs are when driving an auto. I'd probably need it less on a manual, I can just "feel" it. VW Jetta scares me for reliability, though I am a fan of VW's utilitarian style, always have been. I suppose there is little harm in checking one out.



Originally Posted By: Char Baby
This mid size market is sooooo competitive isn't it?
It would be hard for me to decide easily due to all of the choices.

I do know which cars that I wouldn't buy but, I can't say without some extensive test driving, which car that I would buy.

I have a criteria and I do like 4 cyl engines compared to the V6 option as I haven't needed the extra power.

I prefer MPG over performance and I think that the 4 bangers have enough power for all of my needs/wants.

Comfort/quiet interior, non complicated interior controls, 360 degree outward vision(w/o backup camera) and MPG are all important to me. Style is in the eyes of the beholder so, it goes w/o saying!

'04 Altima('02-'06/3rd gen) is what I am driving now and it's fine in most catigories. And of course, we all want reliability! It's that too though, not known for it's quality, it's OK there also.
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I just don't know what I'd buy tomorrow! My first impressions are to go with the Camry, Accord, Altima. I like the mazda6 too but, Mazda's rust problems cause me to hesitate. I like the Malibu also but, I can't see well out of the interior! And the Chrysler is out as well due to too many problems that I have had with all 4 in the past between 73 & 97 and I don't believe they've gotten any better in their reliability(though others have good success, I haven't).


I definitely would be fine with a 4cyl, for fuel economy, especially with the uncertainty down the road. The 4cyl Camry I rented had more than enough merging/passing power, which is all I really care about in terms of flaws in the Corolla's engine, at least. My fiancé's new Elantra drives worlds better, the styling just isn't for me.

Backup camera would be a nicety, as where I park now (in Boston, in a lot, so no, no bumper/curb rash), is tight in the Corolla, so a camera would be nice on a larger vehicle.

It really does seem like things are so competitive, so many things to chose from, yet there are so many (almost) deal breakers for each car. Rust on Mazda is definitely a concern, as is reliability on Chrysler (despite the improvements I hear about).

Thanks for the input guys! This decision would be helped if my insurance wasn't quoting me literally a range of up to $700 between all midsize sedans. If they were all within $200 or so of eachother, it would help simplify things tremendously.
 
I understand that a true luxo would cost more to insure...but the likes of the marque brands...acura, infiniti, lexus...would be a real step up and the savings you get by buying a bit older could go to the insurance...
 
Originally Posted By: smc733


So Quattro, that's pretty much what I want, larger, comfortable, and more fun/powerful. I do want a few niceties, because I want this purchase to last me a long time, even though my main goal is to remove a problem car from my life, I want to replace it with something I'll be happy with long term, not just a stop-gap.


But don't want to pay for it as the Accord V6 was mentioned.

No idea what an Acura TSX runs certified however I was handed the wagon version as loaner it fits all your criteria very well.

I have gotten your generation Corolla as a rental and very well relate. Its transportation but did not notice the wandering much in a 2010.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: smc733


So Quattro, that's pretty much what I want, larger, comfortable, and more fun/powerful. I do want a few niceties, because I want this purchase to last me a long time, even though my main goal is to remove a problem car from my life, I want to replace it with something I'll be happy with long term, not just a stop-gap.


But don't want to pay for it as the Accord V6 was mentioned.

No idea what an Acura TSX runs certified however I was handed the wagon version as loaner it fits all your criteria very well.

I have gotten your generation Corolla as a rental and very well relate. Its transportation but did not notice the wandering much in a 2010.


The Accord V6 is just a touch too expensive (as ideally, I'd prefer to only pay 8k after trade, but willing to go 12k, 17k is a stretch after trade), and combined with the gas prices, the TCO would just be too much.

I was thinking a lightly used I4 TSX would be perfect. Fuel-efficient, proven 5spd auto, and a nice car. (The NVH doesn't bother me on Hondas, and I love the way they handle). I'll have to do some searching on that one.
 
Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
Honda Accord EX/Sport - EX feels sluggish with the CVT, kind of large feeling, and overall meh. The Sport still (obviously) has that large feeling, but the performance is MUCH better (despite only having 4hp more). Something to do with the tuning of the CVT, perhaps? I worry on this one about costly CVT issues down the road, alongside DI issues. Oddly this would lower my insurance.

Get the V6 then: it won't feel sluggish, it won't have CVT, and no DI either. However, it does come with VCM.

Also, have you looked at Mazda6?



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I did drive a Mazda 6, a little too "sporty" for my taste in styling, but the drive didn't really deliver the performance to me. People are astonished when I say this, perhaps I ought to give this one another test drive.

Thanks for the input!

It's not surprising to me. Temple of VTEC has done dyno comparisons between the K24W and the SkyActiv engine to better understand both of them. The Mazda has a notably unimpressive peak and overall curve compared to the K24 which is why the Accord has such healthy 0-60 times. While the Mazda is slightly more efficient it's not nearly enough to make me want to give up the power of the K24. This is not to say the Mazda is bad, but objective data is showing that the benefits of SkyActiv are not that great in this case, or at least not up to what Honda did with their Earth Dreams (dumb name I know) K24W.
 
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: smc733


So Quattro, that's pretty much what I want, larger, comfortable, and more fun/powerful. I do want a few niceties, because I want this purchase to last me a long time, even though my main goal is to remove a problem car from my life, I want to replace it with something I'll be happy with long term, not just a stop-gap.


But don't want to pay for it as the Accord V6 was mentioned.

No idea what an Acura TSX runs certified however I was handed the wagon version as loaner it fits all your criteria very well.

I have gotten your generation Corolla as a rental and very well relate. Its transportation but did not notice the wandering much in a 2010.


The Accord V6 is just a touch too expensive (as ideally, I'd prefer to only pay 8k after trade, but willing to go 12k, 17k is a stretch after trade), and combined with the gas prices, the TCO would just be too much.

I was thinking a lightly used I4 TSX would be perfect. Fuel-efficient, proven 5spd auto, and a nice car. (The NVH doesn't bother me on Hondas, and I love the way they handle). I'll have to do some searching on that one.

Reading down the thread I was thinking TSX but someone already beat me to it! I absolutely love mine. It's fun to drive, incredibly reliable, and built like a vault. An important thing to note is that this car was designed to compete directly with the FWD A4 in Europe so if you're really paying attention to detail you'll find the interior of this car has a solidity and materials quality that even the more expensive Acuras don't quite have. Look for a Certified Pre-Owned '11-13 to get a couple styling and engine tweaks and you'll be very proud to own that car!
 
Originally Posted By: smc733
So Quattro, that's pretty much what I want, larger, comfortable, and more fun/powerful. I do want a few niceties, because I want this purchase to last me a long time, even though my main goal is to remove a problem car from my life, I want to replace it with something I'll be happy with long term, not just a stop-gap.


You've got some challenging requirements there. The larger, more comfortable the car, the harder it is to make it fun, unless you throw more money at it, money which you are not willing to spend. All the cars on your original list are appliances. I've been in your situation before... I thought a well-regarded "safe" family sedan would make me happy... so I bought an Accord. Not only did it not live up to the hype from a fit&finish perspective, I was literally getting bored out of my mind with it, although that was mainly due to the auto trans. I got rid of it within a year and bought a more sporty/engaging sedan instead and never regretted it. I only regretted getting the Accord in the first place.

The TSX mentioned earlier might be worth a look.

As for insurance, did you try shopping around? If the rates from your current insurer don't make sense, then take your business elsewhere. Geico, Progressive, and I'm sure many others have free insurance rate calculators on-line, so it's easy to compare.
 
If I was in the market for a FWD midsize car my top two picks would be either the TSX or the Mazda6- period.
 
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