There is "required" and "better." I've started at -20 with a dealer bulk 0w20 and the car rattles like mad. And I've started with the old higher PAO version of M1EP and it starts smoother by a mile.is -20°F extreme cold starting? wouldn't even require the 0W rating
There is "required" and "better." I've started at -20 with a dealer bulk 0w20 and the car rattles like mad. And I've started with the old higher PAO version of M1EP and it starts smoother by a mile.
I've also started with a 5w30 and notice more rattle at startup. Sure, a 5w30 will work, but it seems noticeably harder on the engine than the equivalent 0w20.
Yeah. I've also compared PP 0w20 to M1EP 0w20 at -20 and the M1EP starts much smoother at those temps than PP. But now M1EP's base oil is mostly natural gas like PP. So I was thinking of trying something else. Redline would be good, but it is way more expensive than M1EP.Ok rattling is a good enough reason to look for something else. I would too.
Redline performance series is PAO/ester blend.
That’s the problem. Price. You can’t find anything like the M1EP in that price range.Yeah. I've also compared PP 0w20 to M1EP 0w20 at -20 and the M1EP starts much smoother at those temps than PP. But now M1EP's base oil is mostly natural gas like PP. So I was thinking of trying something else. Redline would be good, but it is way more expensive than M1EP.
If you have price as a factor you will be very limited or not finding anything over M1 my choice would be HPL.Yeah. I've also compared PP 0w20 to M1EP 0w20 at -20 and the M1EP starts much smoother at those temps than PP. But now M1EP's base oil is mostly natural gas like PP. So I was thinking of trying something else. Redline would be good, but it is way more expensive than M1EP.
Sounds like the dealer bulk 0w20 may have been 5W20. Doesn't the 0W refer to the cold starting thickness of the oil? If so, shouldn't all brands of 0W20 be similar? Like gasoline octane.There is "required" and "better." I've started at -20 with a dealer bulk 0w20 and the car rattles like mad. And I've started with the old higher PAO version of M1EP and it starts smoother by a mile.
I've also started with a 5w30 and notice more rattle at startup. Sure, a 5w30 will work, but it seems noticeably harder on the engine than the equivalent 0w20.
HAHA! -20 would certainly be extreme cold to me, but you can always find someone from even colder places. -20 might seem tropical to an Alaskan that sees -50, and -50 would be balmy to a Siberian that experiences -80 every winter.Extreme cold start at -20 LOL well I see you have never spent a winter in Havre or Whitefish Montana!
-20 is a pretty typical cold start in mid winter, so that is why I choose that number. -40 is the coldest start I've done. We had a week where it was -30 to -34 every morning for 7 days straight. -55 is the coldest day on record, but we stayed inside.Extreme cold start at -20 LOL well I see you have never spent a winter in Havre or Whitefish Montana!