Beheadings Fuel Backlash Against Muslims

[buster]

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This enemy is as sneaky and brutal as they come. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but don't doubt for a second that some you see and some of the mosques you see are supporting this. If we get attacked again, and this country gets p@ssed off enough, they will be sorry. The countries they come from will be too.

[ June 26, 2004, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: buster ]

 

[Last_Z]

Well, I can understand where the hatred and anger is coming from. If you read the last quote in that article, the person who wrote it is 100% right. I believe the US has been infiltrated by Al-Qaida and other groups many times and there are countless cells all over the US being funded by Mosques and other Islamic charities. Those "good" Arabs know this, but are too scared to say something or willingly turn their heads......all the while a communications specialist, an oil engineer and a truck driver are beheaded.
Will we see a war between Christians and Muslins in the near future.....an all out war? I don't know, but it looks very possible!

 

[Mystic]

I am really very liberal and I say let people believe any religious belief that they want to as long as they don't harm anybody else. But the Moslems increasingly seem to be not paying attention to this.

The only time I faced hostility from any religious group was when I came into contact with Moslems in New Mexico. No other people from any other religious group has ever displayed hostility to me. And I have visited Buddhist temples in the San Luis Valley in New Mexico (very friendly people) and I have met Hindus, Wicca people (very friendly), and people from other faiths.

I think the Moslems may ultimately regret the negative image they are developing in the world. If I can get angry (I am liberal) over the way I was treated in New Mexico, they have a problem.

 

[Mystic]

Sorry, one correction to the above post-that should be San Luis Valley in Colorado.

 

[Kuma]

Muslims are creating a very negative image of themselves...I agree that even the innocent ones are not doing enough to improve the growing image of their faith as a buncha crazy extremists.

I don't think there will be an all-out war between Christians and Muslims though...even the terrorists are not targetting christians specifically but the US and its allies. They are trying to isolate the US, which if more countries show they have as much backbone as Spain, will happen quickly.

The essential problem as I see it is that Muslims tend to see their religion as the basis of statehood, with religious laws, sanctions, and judicial systems governing the course of the state. In the west we have the notion of separation of church and state; how effectively that is implemented is highly questionable with politicians like Bush invoking the name of God at every turn. These two views, church as state and church exclusive of state, are not compatible, therefore there will always be some tension in Iraq if the government is not specifically stated as an islamic one.

 

[Gary Allan]

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therefore there will always be some tension in Iraq if the government is not specifically stated as an islamic one.

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Iraq wasn't an Islamic state. Syria isn't an Islamic state. Palestine isn't an Islamic state ..nor is Saudi Arabia ..nor a host of others. Syria is Baathist ..just like Iraq was. Facsist and totalitarian. S.A. is a monarchy ..not a theocracy.

Iran is the only one that comes to mind as being an Islamic fundamentalist government. What you're not aware of is that none of the educated in that nation give a rats a$$ about Islamic leadership. It's a joke to them.

What you're seeing is a show. Low life savage thugs. Simple ..not too much spiritual component to it. Sure stuff will be done in the name of Islam ..but that's akin to some type of KKK action where they basically convince a bunch of white trash that they're doing "right". They're still white trash.

Same thing.

 

[JohnnyO]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Sure stuff will be done in the name of Islam ..but that's akin to some type of KKK action where they basically convince a bunch of white trash that they're doing "right". They're still white trash.
Same thing.

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Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way. Muslims are the ones creating the stereotype, they don't need me to do it. Saddam had made Iraq a very secular country, he only invoked Islam when it suited his purposes. Now from what I hear, Al Quaida is flocking to Iraq to make war against the evil American Crusaders so at least a lot of them are in one place and we can eliminate them easier.

 

[Bob Woods]

I can't help but wonder if there is not a group of rich SOB's that are behind all of this and they have hijacked islam and they are using the poor ignorant bastards to gain control of the world economy.

 

[DockHoliday]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:

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therefore there will always be some tension in Iraq if the government is not specifically stated as an islamic one.

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Iraq wasn't an Islamic state. Syria isn't an Islamic state. Palestine isn't an Islamic state ..nor is Saudi Arabia ..nor a host of others. Syria is Baathist ..just like Iraq was. Facsist and totalitarian. S.A. is a monarchy ..not a theocracy.

Iran is the only one that comes to mind as being an Islamic fundamentalist government. What you're not aware of is that none of the educated in that nation give a rats a$$ about Islamic leadership. It's a joke to them.

What you're seeing is a show. Low life savage thugs. Simple ..not too much spiritual component to it. Sure stuff will be done in the name of Islam ..but that's akin to some type of KKK action where they basically convince a bunch of white trash that they're doing "right". They're still white trash.

Same thing.

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What Al Queda wants, in the long run, is for these countries to become Islamic states. These zealots want Taliban style govt for all countries where the majority of the population is Muslim. The Western lifestyle, including freedom of religion, is a threat to their ability to control their people. Al Queda simply wants to drive a wedge between the Western and Muslim worlds.

 

[Bob Woods]

Al Queda simply wants to drive a wedge between the Western and Muslim worlds.

I think its deeper than that, they want to install islamic governments in all countries and kill all those that disagree with them. Their dream is a world submitting to the will of the Kaliphate.

 

[Kuma]

You also have to think about the relative position of Islam viz-a-viz the "west" over the past 1,000 years. It has gone from a world-owning and -shaping, legitimate power in regard to political clout--Ottoman Empire, etc., to a relatively emasculated religion with a memory of what once was. I think much of what fuels "extremists" is this sense of slippage, that the great judeo-christian alliance is ever more encroaching on historically muslim lands and states.

Islam is currently like a cornered, wounded lion; our adventure into Iraq making it more fearful and belligerent as it becomes more desperate. As people think that their "way of life" is threatened by outside forces they attempt to fight back. By labelling many of those who resist these incursions siomply "terrorists" we are unable to see many of the deeply rooted historical complexitites that are playing out in favor of semantic simplicity and political rhetoric.

If the tables were hypothetically turned, and some hugely powerful, predominantely Muslim state decided to enact a "regime change" in England or the United States, I have few doubts that christian identified individuals would use very harsh tactics in attempts to deal with the invaders, despite their profession of benevolent motivations, and feel entirely justified in doing so.

 

[ex_MGB]

One will find endearing remarks to be few and far between made of the Romans by the Greeks, Parthians or barbarians.

The outside world had thought itself freed from the "blond barbarians" toward the close of the last century, the West's "Period of the Contending States", during which the West either tore itself to pieces (The European Wars) or succumbed to foreign influence (Stalin and FDR).

Now, to their shock and horror, they see that rather than having destroyed itself, there has emerged an assertive, masculine "hegemon", America. Outside the West, there are those who are blinded to the full import seeing this as but the latest storm, and whose strategy is to ride it out. Like China, they build their economies with an eye towards future battle.

But there are others who in their fury, vengenance knows no bounds. They seek immediate confrontation and simultaneous cooperation with internal allies. As such, one is reminded of Reese's words to Sarah:

"Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with...it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear...and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead."

Internally, the greatest task at hand is a complete overhaul of the judiciary which is simply a destructive agent of nihilism.

[ June 28, 2004, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: ex_MGB ]

 

[needtoknow]

From Buster's link,
"A few days later, vandals tossed empty liquor and beer bottles at a mosque in Union City as congregants inside mourned a teenager who died in a car crash.

Two mosques in Florida were vandalized in the days after Johnson's killing. In the Tampa suburb of Lutz, someone broke into the Islamic Community Center and scrawled "Kill All Muslims" on the mosque's interior walls, then smashed windows. In Charlotte Harbor, someone vandalized a mosque's sign and left threatening phone messages.

In the St. Louis suburb of Ballwin, Mo., vandals painted a swastika and the word "Die" on the wall of the Dar-Ul-Islam mosque.

In Texas, dead fish were dumped near the entrance sign to a mosque under construction in a suburb of Houston."

These people think they are taking the Christian moral high ground?

 

[DockHoliday]

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Originally posted by Bob Woods:
Al Queda simply wants to drive a wedge between the Western and Muslim worlds.

I think its deeper than that, they want to install islamic governments in all countries and kill all those that disagree with them. Their dream is a world submitting to the will of the Kaliphate.

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Driving the wedge is the short term goal, the long term goal is to have Tabliban style rule in most of the Muslim countries. These guys appear to be nuts, but those leaders are very calculating. They don't spend years of planning and millions of dollars just to knock down the twin towers for their own sick amusement. They indeed have a long term plan, which starts with driving a wedge between the Western and Muslim worlds. That is to say, attacking the US is a means to an end, not the end itself.

 

[labman]

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Originally posted by Bob Woods:
Al Queda simply wants to drive a wedge between the Western and Muslim worlds.

I think its deeper than that, they want to install islamic governments in all countries and kill all those that disagree with them. Their dream is a world submitting to the will of the Kaliphate.

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I am afraid you are right. The idea that all we need to do is throw Israel to the wolves and withdraw from the Middle East is dangerous, wishful thinking. Some might stop at that, but not all.

I think we need to help the Muslims more, both those than want to live in peace and prosperity and those wanting to die fighting us.

 

[Bob Woods]

I think we need to help the Muslims more, both those than want to live in peace and prosperity and those wanting to die fighting us.

The Arab community pre-dates ours by over a thousand years, the Arabs don't help themselves, why the **** should we be responsible? They cripple themselves with tribal wars and religious and societial customs that hinder advancement. I for one an **** tired of hearing we have to help them. They have oil and the ability to raise food to feed themselves and we the infidels have to help them? BS!

 

[buster]

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I think we need to help the Muslims more, both those than want to live in peace and prosperity and those wanting to die fighting us.

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Bob, your absolutely right. Excellent point. We need to win over the Arab world, if thats possible. Some polls suggest 95% are for what we are doing, but we must convince them that we are their to help. It's crucial. It's an excellent strategy. We've failed so far in the media war.

 

[Gary Allan]

Islamic drum beating is just the tune played to motivate the masses. The true quest of Al-Qaeda is POWER. Pure and simple.

What do you expect from people who appear to be quite impotent as world players?

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Gary I don't believe that. Then why don't the other members of Islam turn in the terrorists? Or make a stand againsts these acts? It's a peace loving religion don't you know.

 

[labman]

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Originally posted by Jason Troxell:
Gary I don't believe that. Then why don't the other members of Islam turn in the terrorists? Or make a stand againsts these acts? It's a peace loving religion don't you know.

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I think it is much like why the blacks in our inner cities don't help the police clean out the drug dealers that are victimizing them. It is a mixture of fear and us versus them.

And oh yes, we Christians need to do a better job speaking out against those that distort Christianity to justify violence.

[ June 30, 2004, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: labman ]