My 04 Tacoma 3.4L V6 as had a slight valve train noise since new. At 5,000 miles I replaced the oil filter with a toyota $7 denso filter. The noise was getting louder at first start-up and would go away when warm. At 10,000 miles today while I was changine the oil I dropped the filter into the oil pan. It made a rattling sound, so I shook it and it made all kinds of rattling sounds. I went to walmart and bought a $3 Fram ph3614 and finished my oil change. My wife and I put 100 miles on the truck today with no noises. Can I get the Toyota dealer to pay for the defect filter? Chock one up for fram.
Bad Toyota filter!
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You could try, but would it be worth it for $7?
Did you only change the oil twice in the first 10,00 miles
Toyota calls for 5k ocis. I didthe first change at 2,500 miles with M1 5w30 and toyota filter. At
5,000 mile I changed it again with the same combo. Then I use the books standard and went to 10,000 miles. Now I'm running a Fram filter and 5w30 Castrol GTX because it worked great in my old toyota.
5,000 mile I changed it again with the same combo. Then I use the books standard and went to 10,000 miles. Now I'm running a Fram filter and 5w30 Castrol GTX because it worked great in my old toyota.
Fram? Oh the Horror!!!
I'm here to apalogize. The fram filter now makes the same noise 80 miles later. The noise is the same with a co-workers 3.4 4runner. So I cut open the old filter and found no visable damage to any part (but to bypass was the nicest I've seen). SORRY to all for haelping walmart push out products like supertech and motorcraft.
Super,
You are traveling backwards! You went from Toyota Denso filters to Fram, from Mobil1 to gtx! Smartsss with yaaaa
Go back to 6 month/6000 miles with M1 5-30,10-30 and a Wix filter.
Daily Drives:
-2003 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner,2.7 liter, 4 cylinder, Mobil1 5w30 ODO 13850
-1995 Toyota 4-Runner,3.0 liter,6 cylinder, Mobil1 10w30 ODO 94200
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You are traveling backwards! You went from Toyota Denso filters to Fram, from Mobil1 to gtx! Smartsss with yaaaa
Daily Drives:
-2003 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner,2.7 liter, 4 cylinder, Mobil1 5w30 ODO 13850
-1995 Toyota 4-Runner,3.0 liter,6 cylinder, Mobil1 10w30 ODO 94200
http://community.webshots.com/user/amkeer
Amkeer, I will. I already have the 6 qts. of 10w30 M1 and a new filter. And the filter I was using was a YZZD1 toyota.
superglide..
Have you discussed your problem with the dealership?
I do not think the filter is the problem. If you change brands and the same problem happens, that should eliminate the filter as the reason for what you are encountering.
You may have a problem with the oil pump regulating valve.
Or you could have other internal engine problems with tolerances and clearances or something.
Of course the computer diognostics may show what the problem is. But sometimes they don't and it takes good old fashioned mechanics knowledge to know what is the problem.
My boss had a new car that when he tried to get on the freeway the power wasn't there. It felt like it died. It took time to get up to speed. Needless to say it was a safety problem as he about got run over a time or two.
He took the car to the dealership, left it for a week, as he was travelling, and asked them to fix it. They put it on the computer, diagnosed that it was a fuel pump problem, replaced the pump.
Didn't solve the problem. So once again he left it with them for a week when he went out of town. They changed some computer module.
Didn't solve the problem. So he asked the service manager to come drive the car. So he did. They went to get on the freeway, the service manager hit the gas..and no power.
Now they admitted there was a problem. They checked the computer again. Tried everything. Called the factory. Checked every service bulletin. No one could figure out why this was happening.
They were to the point of getting him a new motor or new car.
Then a retired mechanic was in the shop visiting his old buddies. They told him about the problem and no one could figure out why.
He said the crankshaft was installed wrong when the engine was built. That he had seen that before and that's what caused the problem.
So the service manager told my boss about it and said they could tear the engine apart and fix it or he could try to get authorization to order a new vehicle. So he said he liked the car he had and to go ahead and check the crankshaft. Sure enough, the "old" mechanic was right and the dealership fixed the problem.
Sometimes it isn't computers that know everything..
Have you discussed your problem with the dealership?
I do not think the filter is the problem. If you change brands and the same problem happens, that should eliminate the filter as the reason for what you are encountering.
You may have a problem with the oil pump regulating valve.
Or you could have other internal engine problems with tolerances and clearances or something.
Of course the computer diognostics may show what the problem is. But sometimes they don't and it takes good old fashioned mechanics knowledge to know what is the problem.
My boss had a new car that when he tried to get on the freeway the power wasn't there. It felt like it died. It took time to get up to speed. Needless to say it was a safety problem as he about got run over a time or two.
He took the car to the dealership, left it for a week, as he was travelling, and asked them to fix it. They put it on the computer, diagnosed that it was a fuel pump problem, replaced the pump.
Didn't solve the problem. So once again he left it with them for a week when he went out of town. They changed some computer module.
Didn't solve the problem. So he asked the service manager to come drive the car. So he did. They went to get on the freeway, the service manager hit the gas..and no power.
Now they admitted there was a problem. They checked the computer again. Tried everything. Called the factory. Checked every service bulletin. No one could figure out why this was happening.
They were to the point of getting him a new motor or new car.
Then a retired mechanic was in the shop visiting his old buddies. They told him about the problem and no one could figure out why.
He said the crankshaft was installed wrong when the engine was built. That he had seen that before and that's what caused the problem.
So the service manager told my boss about it and said they could tear the engine apart and fix it or he could try to get authorization to order a new vehicle. So he said he liked the car he had and to go ahead and check the crankshaft. Sure enough, the "old" mechanic was right and the dealership fixed the problem.
Sometimes it isn't computers that know everything..
I'd sure like to hear the details of that story. How an incorrectly installed crankshaft didn't make some serious noise all the time is beyond me.
Maybe the valvetrain wasn't degreed in properly, or a reluctor ring was out of phase or loose, oil pump not engaged properly?
I would, however, take it to the dealer and make sure the noise isn't indicating a serious problem.
[ February 26, 2005, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: 427Z06 ]
Superglide, If the slight valve train noise has been their since it was new might it be normal valve train noise? I would think this is the case if you co-workers engine makes the exact same noise! What oil are you running? You will find that some oil quite down valve train noise better then others!
The SuperTech filters use the same numbering system as Fram and they work just fine and cost even less. I would not at all say that OEM Toyota filters just have a higher mark up. Most modern Denso filters are excellent filters! Cut it open and compare to the Fram!
The SuperTech filters use the same numbering system as Fram and they work just fine and cost even less. I would not at all say that OEM Toyota filters just have a higher mark up. Most modern Denso filters are excellent filters! Cut it open and compare to the Fram!
I also do not think you have a filter problem. Most motors are noisier when cold. Some more than others. Especially if they are not a hydraulic lifter. I don't know about your 3.4 motor, but many Toyota's do not have hydraulic lifters. Many have a valve lash setting, sold lifter type. This mechanical gap in the valve train changes from when the motor is cold to a different setting when the motor is warm because of expansion.
Different oil weights and brands can alter (make better) the noise somewhat.
I have a 91 Toyota truck I bought new and have notice that it is much quieter with slightly heaver oils when cold. As long as I don't use a Fram Ph 3614 filter. I encourage your to stay away from the Fram ph 3614 filter in your Toyota. I have had actual bearing knock with cold starts below 30 deg F years ago with this filter in my Toyota. The problem went away when I started using a different filter, go figure.
You might give Mobil 1 0w 40 a try it is one of the quieter cold running oils I have used in my Toyota. FWIW 5w 30 oils seem like the worst oils for noisier valve train cold starts in my Toyotas.
Different oil weights and brands can alter (make better) the noise somewhat.
I have a 91 Toyota truck I bought new and have notice that it is much quieter with slightly heaver oils when cold. As long as I don't use a Fram Ph 3614 filter. I encourage your to stay away from the Fram ph 3614 filter in your Toyota. I have had actual bearing knock with cold starts below 30 deg F years ago with this filter in my Toyota. The problem went away when I started using a different filter, go figure.
You might give Mobil 1 0w 40 a try it is one of the quieter cold running oils I have used in my Toyota. FWIW 5w 30 oils seem like the worst oils for noisier valve train cold starts in my Toyotas.
427Z06...I don't remember the specifics of why the car would run properly until you hit the gas. The car was a Crown Vic though..
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