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At 25 minute mark. At 384,000 starts. It will set a code to replace starter. Hopefully this stuff is really going away.
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Auto Stop Start Starter end of life code
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I had a Hyundai rental with that nonsense last week, disabling it became second nature, almost instinctive.
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If you start your car 10 times a day, 384000 starts will take 105 years. I suppose there's some outlier out there who starts his or her vehicle 100 times per day and thusly this milestone will be hit in 10 years, but there's probably not many like that.
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AZjeff
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Brons2 beat me.
50 starts a day is 21 years. Find something else to get bent about.
I hate it - it’s turned off if I’m driving a car with it. It’s a marginal gain for emissions.
My wife's RAV4's auto start/stop is a bit jarring. We're currently renting a 2025 Ford Escape and the auto start/stop is barely noticeable.
When this system first came out on the F-150 - this board thought starters were going to be blowing up left and right. Didn't happen. But to this day you still get posts on here by those who don't understand it's not a conventional system. It's not a "cold start". My wife's Volvo has an integrated starter/generator for the S/S system. Many, many on here would be hard pressed to tell when the motor starts -it's that good. But you are talking a luxury vehicle.
However-my S/S system on Silverado isn't as refined. There is a button you push down-turns it off. I'm not buying a black box to automatically turn it off like some owners. Don't understand the need when the button is right there in front of you.
AZjeff
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Me too. First thing I did to the 2020 Equinox was get the little defeat gizmo. No replacement starters in 16 years for me!
If you have auto stop/start, is 50 lights/day an average? Above? Below?
They don't automatically shut the engine off at every light. AC on high, engine not to temp, battery not fully charged for example will sometimes over-ride it.
384,000 starts sounds reasonable. Either way you would be able to over-ride the alarm, because obviously if you replace the starter you would need to reset it - I am guessing the memory is in the ECU - not the starter.
Or you can just press the auto start / stop cancel button.
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I do agree its a waste of effort but Cafe?
384,000 starts sounds reasonable. Either way you would be able to over-ride the alarm, because obviously if you replace the starter you would need to reset it - I am guessing the memory is in the ECU - not the starter.
Or you can just press the auto start / stop cancel button.
.I do agree its a waste of effort but Cafe?
I'm sure a taxi or something that is running a few hours a day in urban traffic would get way above 50 start stop cycles. I've had a Legacy with S/S as a loaner at the dealer and taking a relatively light free route across town, I think it was about 10 times per trip.
So a reasonably annoying urban commute could do 50 a day.
It is an interesting video as I didn't think of all the system that have to be tweaked to make an instant start and go work, and pointless complication for a rural driver. The average weekday I'd average maybe 4 actual stops sitting long enough to use the system?
Kestas
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Last I heard is that EPA is giving disincentive for auto companies to include start-stop systems in their vehicles. This is due to the consumer backlash. It wasn't so bad at first when you could press a button to turn it off. But later they stepped it up so you had to press the button after every startup. Regardless, this should help make cars just a little more affordable.
AZjeff
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No idea. Picked 50 because it's a nice number and seems excessive.
I would agree some manufacturers-do a getter job of S/S than others. Some models even of the same brand are smoother than others.
You've got it all wrong. With rentals I make that starter work as hard as possible. With the Toyota we rented I learned how to make it shut off at intersections/lights and then I'd immediately let up on the brake
My 2.7 f150 did a pretty reasonable job with it. I eventually disabled it when startup chain noise became a thing.
The little 4T in the Tacoma shakes the cab a little. It’s a little rowdy. In hybrid guise it’s not using a geared starter. It does introduce a little delay - and if it’s a quick pull-out I’ve kind of developed a double-jab where the first kick starts it and the second rolls in throttle. I like the hybrid. I can disable it with tow mode which drives well, but kinda like the lower shift points with “normal.” But it does kinda rock the cab a little when it kicks on.
I have always appreciated rams e-torque system. I know the hybrid is only worth 2-3 mpg maybe, but it’s quick and smooth.
On topic, if I have any vehicle and the starter makes it 384,000, I’m not complaining. That’s incredible.
The little 4T in the Tacoma shakes the cab a little. It’s a little rowdy. In hybrid guise it’s not using a geared starter. It does introduce a little delay - and if it’s a quick pull-out I’ve kind of developed a double-jab where the first kick starts it and the second rolls in throttle. I like the hybrid. I can disable it with tow mode which drives well, but kinda like the lower shift points with “normal.” But it does kinda rock the cab a little when it kicks on.
I have always appreciated rams e-torque system. I know the hybrid is only worth 2-3 mpg maybe, but it’s quick and smooth.
On topic, if I have any vehicle and the starter makes it 384,000, I’m not complaining. That’s incredible.
LOL I was doing things like that on the last trip, getting it to stumble on a quick take off became very easy. It also annoyed my wife.You've got it all wrong. With rentals I make that starter work as hard as possible. With the Toyota we rented I learned how to make it shut off at intersections/lights and then I'd immediately let up on the brake
To say I dislike the lousy system would be putting it kindly.
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Our 2018 Equinox is easy to defeat- I just put the gear shifter in manual, then hit the gear shift buttons up to 6th. Shuts the start/stop off.
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