edyvw
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It is not only VW. I dumped them from Toyota as soon as I got minivan.
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I went with the ATE pads, thanks much for all the feedback!
Well done! I don't think you can go wrong with ATE.
Rockauto images have gotten good enough that you can often spot the friction code on the brake pads, but it wasn't visible on these ATEs. I'll report back when I receive them.
RockAuto images are very good however, on one set of pads that I oredred, I purchased "FF" according to the picture on RA but the pads came arrived as "GG"
FWIW, I've always been pleased with "GG" pads, and "FF" seems to be a tossup. With "FF," Sometimes they work good, other times I dislike the feel or seems like I have to push the brake pedal more firmly. GG pads have been a winner every time, so I try to use them whenever possible.
That's funny! My findings were just the opposite. I never liked the GG as I had to push harder on the brake pedal more firmly but the FF were much better in every application that I installed them on. Hmmm!
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Honestly... In that post I first mentioned the Sienna only... Then took that put and put only the VW in that post...
Still sucks it was not good in those two vehicles.
edyvw
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I mean they are high quality pads. It is performance that I dislike.
However, from practical stand point, they make sense on minivan when it comes to average soccer mom having love affair with brake pedal.
On EUro cars they are popular bcs. lack of dust. But you ain't gonna find them among enthusiast group.
I'd bet good money I could buy the ATEs from a local BMW dealer that are in the 815 size for my car.... Could well be worth thinking about doing in the future. .
And you and nhtach have both taught me something new... That's pretty cool.
A big reason I do enjoy being on here is learning from lots of people in here. You are definitely on that list. .
Hope you and your family have been doing good given everything going on.
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edyvw
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BMW has several suppliers. It could be ATE, Textar, Pagid or Jurid. I bought ATE as aftermarket product.
I found for Toyota on Rock Auto Pagid recently. Will change them next month. They are FE
Yeah that makes sense...
I believe I could find the correct size 815s for the front of my car...
And seriously I want to upgrade the lady's Camry brakes... May well look into that for her car too.
Stopping shorter especially from 65 mph+... Is always a good thing.
I believe I could find the correct size 815s for the front of my car...
And seriously I want to upgrade the lady's Camry brakes... May well look into that for her car too.
Stopping shorter especially from 65 mph+... Is always a good thing.
My experience with Akebono is hit or miss. They worked fine on the rears of a Subaru I maintain, though I did see some pad deposit “streaks” on to the rotors. I think The Critic told me Akebono pads tend to leave more deposits behind on rotors. However, I installed Toyota’s “value”(TCMC) pads on my parent’s van. Those were Akebono pads but not the ProACT series. They worked fine but developed a squeal about a year later. I took those out abs replaced then with OE box Advics pads.
Isn't the stopping distance dictated by front tyre grip? Get grippier tyres to reduce stopping distances. The rear wheels are hard to lock up on any fwd car so grip isn't limiting there. At the back a higher mu brake pad could actually help, but higher mu pads at the fron will likely increase stopping distances.
Tires matter. But in the real world of tires.... I'm not finding Perelli red super soft tires on regular vehicles on the road. .
Brake package function matters a lot to.... Rotors and pads, overall system setup.
I disagree with increasing distance in many stopping occasions... Sorry but a front drive vehicle with majority of weight up front.... It can be ok.
It may make it possible to over drive a corner or of one totally locks down their brakes it could slide the front tires which certainly could increase stopping distance.
The Wagner brake pads that are gg rated state that they can help stop vehicles 30 or more feet shorter...
I have driven enough vehicles in my time on the planet... To well notice a strong difference between vehicles or brakes.... And my car stops well better than my wife's Camry. And it is not because of tires. I have always had better brakes on my car vs the Camry. When the front brake pads were replaced in the Camry... It was a fair amount better. Still not as good as my car.
There was a reason why in the 2002 Richmond race that Joe Nemechek won.... His brakes and rotor package was just better than anyone else that night... And it was because he could drive harder and deeper into turns one and three... Then carry more speed in the center and off those turns 2 and 4. It was not much to do with tire grip... As it was his brake package was just better than the other cars and drivers that night. He drove into turn one 2-4 vehicle lengths farther than anyone else typically that night.
Brake package function matters a lot to.... Rotors and pads, overall system setup.
I disagree with increasing distance in many stopping occasions... Sorry but a front drive vehicle with majority of weight up front.... It can be ok.
It may make it possible to over drive a corner or of one totally locks down their brakes it could slide the front tires which certainly could increase stopping distance.
The Wagner brake pads that are gg rated state that they can help stop vehicles 30 or more feet shorter...
I have driven enough vehicles in my time on the planet... To well notice a strong difference between vehicles or brakes.... And my car stops well better than my wife's Camry. And it is not because of tires. I have always had better brakes on my car vs the Camry. When the front brake pads were replaced in the Camry... It was a fair amount better. Still not as good as my car.
There was a reason why in the 2002 Richmond race that Joe Nemechek won.... His brakes and rotor package was just better than anyone else that night... And it was because he could drive harder and deeper into turns one and three... Then carry more speed in the center and off those turns 2 and 4. It was not much to do with tire grip... As it was his brake package was just better than the other cars and drivers that night. He drove into turn one 2-4 vehicle lengths farther than anyone else typically that night.
Race cars have adjustable brake bias through brake pressure. This isn't an option on cars for the road. If joe Nemecheck had a better distribution of brake force, through brake sizing, compound, pressures or a combination, he could reduce stopping distances significantly. Or maybe he could carry slightly more speed through the corners, so didn't have to slow down quite as much and as early. In any event, race car drivers aim to keep the balance such that the brakes lock up the front an rear wheels around the same time, maximizing brake effort for the car. With reducing fuel levels and changing grip levels of tyres this means regularly adjusting the brake bias.
Brake pads can alter the feel of the brakes significantly though, there's certainly a lot more to pads than just coefficient of friction. But by a misapplication of higher friction pads in a road car you can get further from what you desire, presumably shorter stopping distances. If the brakes lack modulation or have really crappy bite (too much or too little) a different pad certainly can improve things.
Brake pads can alter the feel of the brakes significantly though, there's certainly a lot more to pads than just coefficient of friction. But by a misapplication of higher friction pads in a road car you can get further from what you desire, presumably shorter stopping distances. If the brakes lack modulation or have really crappy bite (too much or too little) a different pad certainly can improve things.
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