Assuming Vista is a major flop...
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I think XP machines will be a great deal this holiday season. I wouldn't invest in Vista for at least a year to give them the time to work out its bugs. Recommendation: Buy a new XP machine, save a bunch of $$$ in the process.
I have heard a lot of disturbing stuff on the internet where people are saying that even the latest beta of Vista has some issues and even programmers saying in blogs that maybe Microsoft should delay Vista by 6 months or so. Surely they will not release a OS with major obvious flaws?
I do think it would be a good idea to continue using Windows XP for a while. Vista apparently requires a pretty powerful machine and there are supposed to be some major software/hardware compatibility issues.
I do think it would be a good idea to continue using Windows XP for a while. Vista apparently requires a pretty powerful machine and there are supposed to be some major software/hardware compatibility issues.
I'll keep using XP for a few years and continue to dabble in Linux. I may make one computer Linux only. I wouldn't rule out Mac either.
We have three computers running XP, they have Office 2000, 2002 and 2003 is on the newest one. I haven't run into any significant advantage in 2003 over 2000. Beyond the gee-whiz factor, I don't expect any real advantage to the Vista offerings either.
The vast majority of Vista sales will be the pre-installed Windows software on new computers. I can't see any rush from the Mac or Linux worlds to Vista. I also suspect that a minority of XP users will "upgrade" to Vista until there is a reason to, like a new computer where it's pre-installed
I haven't gotten interested enough in Vista to look at it in any depth. What compelling reasons are there to not stick with XP, assuming one is going to use an MS operating system?
It look like there will be 6 or 7 years of support for XP, at least at the level of security updates and online help at MS.
It's an interesting situation, I like to knock MS as much as the next guy, but XP is good enough that I don't see any reason to upgrade within the MS line.
XS650, I'm pretty much with you here, for all the same reasons. XP does work pretty well, although I still have to reboot it once a week or so. I still remember my OS2 running for 2 - 3 months with out a hiccup.
I have not actually tried any of the Vista betas. However, people who have tried the betas often complain about Vista being slow (even on a pretty fast computer), some items in Vista that seem to be unfinished or sloppy (icons and even more serious stuff), and various problems with software and hardware. For example, I have heard of people saying that they were unable to run Photoshop Elements 4, or not being able to operate Epson V700/V750 scanners.
It just seems that the latest betas should be faster running and more compatible with software/hardware, and no silly problems with icons or anything like that. After all, this is November 15th and if they really release Vista on November 30th that is only 15 days away. And only 2 and a half months from the release to everybody. Any compatiblity problems, sloppy icons, driver problems, slow operation problems probably cannot be solved in such a short period of time.
Personally I am waiting until the release of Vista in January and if Vista is a dud I will sell my Windows computer and use my Mac with Mac OS X and Windows XP installed. After 5 years and billions of dollars I figure an OS should be complete and ready to go and if not I don't want to do business with the company that can't get the job done. What are you supposed to do-buy a super fast computer and wait a year until all of the compatibility problems are corrected and wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 or 3 are released?
It just seems that the latest betas should be faster running and more compatible with software/hardware, and no silly problems with icons or anything like that. After all, this is November 15th and if they really release Vista on November 30th that is only 15 days away. And only 2 and a half months from the release to everybody. Any compatiblity problems, sloppy icons, driver problems, slow operation problems probably cannot be solved in such a short period of time.
Personally I am waiting until the release of Vista in January and if Vista is a dud I will sell my Windows computer and use my Mac with Mac OS X and Windows XP installed. After 5 years and billions of dollars I figure an OS should be complete and ready to go and if not I don't want to do business with the company that can't get the job done. What are you supposed to do-buy a super fast computer and wait a year until all of the compatibility problems are corrected and wait until Service Pack 1 or 2 or 3 are released?
I have been running Vista Ultimate build 6000 (Final release) for about a week now. It seems a bit faster than XP and has been bug free except for the DVD writing "hang" which also plagues XP. I have some friends that work at AOL and they are having a tough time with Vista due mostly to the new kernel protection stuff. Vista will be far less susceptable to viruses.
I will wait to purchase Vista until Summer 07 when the new PCIe v2.0 chipsets come out and then upgrade to a new PC. By that time the DX10 video cards and Blu-Ray drives will be reasonably priced as well.
I will wait to purchase Vista until Summer 07 when the new PCIe v2.0 chipsets come out and then upgrade to a new PC. By that time the DX10 video cards and Blu-Ray drives will be reasonably priced as well.
Other than eye candy, what does Vista do better that the average user might notice?
I'll wait to put it on my Macs.
XP is OK for now, once some major bugs/holes get plugged, I'll put it on for kicks.
Besides, I'll be enjoying OS 10.5 then, and it won't really matter
XP is OK for now, once some major bugs/holes get plugged, I'll put it on for kicks.
Besides, I'll be enjoying OS 10.5 then, and it won't really matter
I don't know about putting Vista on a Mac. Vista takes a HUGE amount of disk space! I can pretty much live without Windows right now today. In fact if I had to I could probably live without Windows at all. I figure Windows XP (rarely used) is good enough on a Mac. All I really need Windows for is Microsoft Office (and I could buy Microsoft Office fof the Macintosh for Students/Teachers for about $150.00) and for scanning (and I could buy Vuescan so that the scanners would work on the Mac). I do not really get into computer games although I would like to try out that new Microsoft Flight Simulator game. And a person can buy a gaming console.
A few years back I had equipment that would not work in Mac OS X. But there has been a lot of progress made. In fact, Mac OS X may be MORE compatible with hardware than Windows Vista, at least when Vista first comes out. And one of the benefits of owning a Windows computer used to be a cheaper computer, but if you have to buy a powerhouse computer to run Vista that benefit is gone.
When Apple Computer came out with Bootcamp that pretty much closed any argument about not owning a Mac. You can buy a Mac today, have Bootcamp installed, and run BOTH Mac OS X and Windows XP. Aside from the issue of computer games (that may not run well enough in Bootcamp) that pretty much closes the deal. You are much safer on the internet with the Mac and when you need to run a Windows program or hardware designed for Windows all you do is boot up into Windows XP. In fact, I dare say that Windows XP RUNS BETTER on a Mac!
There are fewer and fewer reasons for me to own a Windows computer any more. I would sell my Windows computer right now but I would like to see Vista come out first. If Vista is a dud (and I have nothing against Microsoft but I have very strong feelings at this time that Vista will be a dud) I will definitely sell my Windows computer and never buy another one. The Mac is the answer all of those Linux people are looking for.
A few years back I had equipment that would not work in Mac OS X. But there has been a lot of progress made. In fact, Mac OS X may be MORE compatible with hardware than Windows Vista, at least when Vista first comes out. And one of the benefits of owning a Windows computer used to be a cheaper computer, but if you have to buy a powerhouse computer to run Vista that benefit is gone.
When Apple Computer came out with Bootcamp that pretty much closed any argument about not owning a Mac. You can buy a Mac today, have Bootcamp installed, and run BOTH Mac OS X and Windows XP. Aside from the issue of computer games (that may not run well enough in Bootcamp) that pretty much closes the deal. You are much safer on the internet with the Mac and when you need to run a Windows program or hardware designed for Windows all you do is boot up into Windows XP. In fact, I dare say that Windows XP RUNS BETTER on a Mac!
There are fewer and fewer reasons for me to own a Windows computer any more. I would sell my Windows computer right now but I would like to see Vista come out first. If Vista is a dud (and I have nothing against Microsoft but I have very strong feelings at this time that Vista will be a dud) I will definitely sell my Windows computer and never buy another one. The Mac is the answer all of those Linux people are looking for.
We have already found the answer, and it is not a Mac. Die hard linux users don't have a shred of interest in a Mac running OSX. Why put handcuffs on?
I think you are right for Linux users who have gotten over the hump and are able to easily do everything they want with Linux. I also suspect there are not-insignificant minority of slightly less than die-hard Linux uses who would go the Mac route if buying a new computer.
Whatever the case, having two viable alternatives to the Borg of Redmond is a good thing.
If I had to buy a new computer now, a Mac would get serious consideration. The way Ubuntu is advancing, I might not consider a Mac a few years from now.
JavaMan, you can buy a Mac and run BOTH Windows XP and Mac OS X (and for that matter Classic and probably Linux as well) on a Mac computer. You can use the same OS at home that you use at work and yet be much safer on the internet.
As far as I can determine there are some serious problems with compatibility of a lot of software and a lot of hardware with Vista. The older software and the older hardware will probably not be upgraded for Vista. It is just a money issue. They want you to buy their newer scanners, their newer photo editing software, their newer printers. Nobody is going to worry about that five year old scanner or printer.
The Apple Mac OS X OS has MUCH greater compatibility with various hardware such as scanners and printers than Linux OSs. There is no telling what is going to happen in the future but right now you could say that Mac OS X is the successful Linux OS.
There is a great need for Microsoft to have some serious competition when it comes to computer desktop OSs. There is a need for Linux Oss and the Mac OS to be successsful. I have nothing against Microsoft but the world would be better if Microsoft had about 30% of the market, Linux OSs about 30% of the market, and Mac OS X about 30% of the market.
As far as I can determine there are some serious problems with compatibility of a lot of software and a lot of hardware with Vista. The older software and the older hardware will probably not be upgraded for Vista. It is just a money issue. They want you to buy their newer scanners, their newer photo editing software, their newer printers. Nobody is going to worry about that five year old scanner or printer.
The Apple Mac OS X OS has MUCH greater compatibility with various hardware such as scanners and printers than Linux OSs. There is no telling what is going to happen in the future but right now you could say that Mac OS X is the successful Linux OS.
There is a great need for Microsoft to have some serious competition when it comes to computer desktop OSs. There is a need for Linux Oss and the Mac OS to be successsful. I have nothing against Microsoft but the world would be better if Microsoft had about 30% of the market, Linux OSs about 30% of the market, and Mac OS X about 30% of the market.
"Where'd you get this from?"
I got friends in low places
"The Mac is the answer all of those Linux people are looking for."
Blasphemy, Heretic, Jehovah, Jehovah....
Once you go Unix/Linux everything else is inadequate.
(Im wondering now how many of the "religious" references above will be bleeped out. I guess I will see when I post.)
IMO upgrading to Vista is not critical. There is nothing about it that I can see that is "must have" besides the bit of speed increase and the kernel protect stuff. I will wait for the new DX10/PCIe v2.0 chipsets and then upgrade to a new computer with Vista and perhaps Ubuntu.
The Vista Ultimate install takes up about 8 GB of HD.
Right now I dual-boot Windoze and Debian Linux. I use Windoze for Office and other Apps that I can not find for Linux. I found Slackware on a CD in a magazine about 10 years ago and loaded it on my PC (i386) and managed, with little effort, to connect to a Novell Netware server using cc:Mail thru an X-Window. I was sold at that point. Goodbye Windoze 3.11/9x
I got friends in low places
"The Mac is the answer all of those Linux people are looking for."
Blasphemy, Heretic, Jehovah, Jehovah....
Once you go Unix/Linux everything else is inadequate.
(Im wondering now how many of the "religious" references above will be bleeped out. I guess I will see when I post.)
IMO upgrading to Vista is not critical. There is nothing about it that I can see that is "must have" besides the bit of speed increase and the kernel protect stuff. I will wait for the new DX10/PCIe v2.0 chipsets and then upgrade to a new computer with Vista and perhaps Ubuntu.
The Vista Ultimate install takes up about 8 GB of HD.
Right now I dual-boot Windoze and Debian Linux. I use Windoze for Office and other Apps that I can not find for Linux. I found Slackware on a CD in a magazine about 10 years ago and loaded it on my PC (i386) and managed, with little effort, to connect to a Novell Netware server using cc:Mail thru an X-Window. I was sold at that point. Goodbye Windoze 3.11/9x
That's just sickening! SuSE 10.1 takes about 5GB but here's the extras you get with that installation:
--2 different window environments, not just "explorer"
--Complete Office Suite, Open Office
--Compiler
--File Server for old Mac computers
--databases galore, MySQL, etc
--Proxy server
--Web caching software
--The Potato Guy game, my kids love this one!
--your choice of web browsers
--WINE, you can run IE6 just fine
--DVD Recording software
--Image editing program (GIMP)
How much would all that software cost on an Windows machine? How much extra space would all of it take up?
I'm seeing the light in regards to linux: it's about choice. Microsoft, obviously, isn't about choice. Choice is good for the consumer.
Can the mods add some linux penguin graemlins to the mix?
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