The original post was factual, and I have seen nothing posted by AJ in this thread that was his personal opinion........the other posters need to respect this fact.
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Originally posted by Larry the Cable Guy:
So what is the big deal? Two "Asian" brands retested their product lines according to the NEWEST standards. They did NOT overstate horsepower. They spent the bucks and published the results. Sounds pretty honest to me. Is Ford doing that? No. Is Chrysler doing that? No. Chrysler EXPECTS some of their ratings to drop. Are they testing with the NEW standards so that they may be honest about their claims? Not really...
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
Strict new tests developed by the industry's top engineering group. ..
...The revised ratings comply with new Society of Automotive Engineers standards designed to eliminate subjective interpretation in establishing horsepower claims...
...Over time, most automakers are expected to comply with the new guidelines, and horsepower ratings for other vehicles could be revised...
...Honda spokesman Mike Spencer predicted it would take a few years for customers to understand the changes, but eventually all manufacturers will be using the new SAE tests.
"We've been using SAE procedures all along, it's just that SAE changed their procedures," he said...
...As the new testing procedure is phased in, it may be tricky for consumers. For example, the Ford Five Hundred sedan is rated at 203 horsepower for 2006, the same as the 2005 model. But the 2006 rating does not reflect the new SAE testing procedure, because Ford is not going to the expense of retesting its existing engines, said company spokesman Nick Twork.
DaimlerChrysler is using the new SAE procedures on any model with changes in its powertrain, said spokesman Cole Quinnell. He said the company expects new ratings to be within 3 percent of the old ratings, with some going up and some going down. DaimlerChrysler is making a special effort to test high-performance models, like the Dodge Viper V-10. The Viper now tests at 510 horsepower, up from 500 in 2005.
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It's always better to give the customer more than they're expecting!quote:
Originally posted by VNT:
Actually, to me it sounds like Honda and toyota got caught inflating the numbers and now must come clean and the GM, Ford and DCX do not since they always underate their HP/TQ numbers.
No, thats the way I drive anything.quote:
Originally posted by brianl703:
I think that "feeling" you get from Toyota makes you drive in a more fuel-efficient manner.
Well that is your experience, I have owned a dozen cars and everyone of them has met or exceeded the EPA highway mileage figure. The city figure has too many variables and isnt repeatable but highway figures are, assuming you drive the 65 mPH speed limit. Of course how did this thread change subject from fudging HP #'s to gas mileage??? Or is it peoples logic that it is OK as long as you get good gas mileage it is OK to inflate HP figures??quote:
Originally posted by H2GURU:
I have owned several new cars made here in the U.S.A. and never even came close to EPA fuel consumption estimates... both of my Toyotas met AND exceeded numbers on side window and that right now is more important.
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I think that "feeling" you get from Toyota makes you drive in a more fuel-efficient manner.
So now expected, true colors revealed, these photos have no relation to this thread except to put down, glad you revealed your yourself, there is more to India than those pictures show, sadly, your mind frame is as limited as your automobile choice and knowledge. You can find the nice Tata Safari at http://www.tatamotors.com/home.php or the Mahindra Scorpio at http://www.mahindrascorpio.com/ plus the German 4x4 of the year Trax Gurkha along with every brand of high performance over priced Euro junk as well as Japanese cars, also Maybach etc. and all you can post is a three wheeler and a overloaded truck, how ridiculous and narrow, **** all I ever saw in PA during my drives from NY was farm implements, no wonder, you must have done a double mortgage on your farm to buy the sucker bait $75000 Audi Junk, the Germans must be rolling on the floor, specially Dr. Piech.quote:
Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
http://www.molon.de/galleries/India/Rajahstan/Road/img.php?pic=4
http://www.vagabonding.com/gallery_app/view_photo.php?set_albumName=india&id=DSC08830
Unfortunatly the HP # is quantifiable under a test. Reliability is something you cannot measure easily, is very opinionated etc. Again stay on topic, dont side step this into quality debate.quote:
Originally posted by Gurkha:
Just like companies inflating their HP numbers to gain sales is un-ethical, so is over charging junk, ordinary and un-reliable vehicles to gullible and delusional customers for a brand name or a badge or country of origin or pedigree. Since when did ethics ever exist in business or politics, anyone who believes so fooling oneself.