April lubricants industry market update.

[kschachn]

Changed it to "imply warranty implications".

There must be 1000's of BITOG threads over the years where people start out by saying "I use xw-xx because they tell me too and I am scared to use anything else "

Its an implied threat. The auto industry makes billions off the milquetoast using fear tactics and implied threats. Perception is a real thing and a lot of people are afraid to go against the corporations. Just fact.

I could care less about CAFE anymore...we all know the numbers are manipulated by the automakers and the government knows this as well but as long as they can publish their report about how good we're doing...its wonderful. I wonder how many CAFE employees put thicker oil in their cars? Shirley they do because they know its a game.

The automaker is required to use language that strongly dissuades someone from using any oil grade that wasn't the one tested for fuel economy. I've posted EPA award letters here before and this type of intimidation must be used.

It's not directly the manufacturers. They are doing what they are required to do.

 

[D1dad]

When gas/diesel was constantly going up in price circa 2007/2008 there were oddly pre-paid group buys intended to lower fuel costs.

MSN money / market news is reporting that AutoZone has allegedly sent this internal memo about pending PCMO, HDEO, and specialty fluid shortages:

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That looks like it was written in the early days of chat gpt.

 

[TheOtherAndy]

If nothing else, this should at least prove interesting for the end-of-the-year brand rankings in the "Post your latest oil change" thread.

 

[CleanSump]

That looks like it was written in the early days of chat gpt.

Like a politician or PR person saying "We've got your back."
Need to throw in that they'll put boots on the ground and at the end of the day they're great guys.

 

[Intelligent Molecule]

Hopefully, @Foxtrot08 can provide us with an update soon.

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[Foxtrot08]

Hopefully, @Foxtrot08 can provide us with an update soon.

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I’ve been meaning to write a May wrap up. But I’ve been super busy recently. But something I intend to work on here soon.

 

[GMFan]

There was some previous discussion on this thread regarding Dexos specification and questions / speculation on what would happen. It appears SOPUS has removed the Dexos 1 Gen 3 label on 0w20 Pennzoil Platinum and 0w20 Quaker State Full Synthetic oils and their data sheets.

See this thread:

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Thread 'Newer 0w20 PCMOs dropping Dexos 1 Gen 3 approvals'

Jun 4, 2026

It seems that some of the 0w20 oils that have had Dexos approval for years now may no longer be approved.

The latest and greatest data sheets on Quaker State Full Synthetic and Pennzoil Platinum (at least in the 0w20), indicate they will no longer be Dexos 1 Gen 3 approved.

I contacted Shell customer service and they confirmed that is the case.

What gives? I was thinking that was pretty much the gold standard (other than Euro approvals) of mainstream engine oils?

Does anyone have any insight into this?

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[thunderfog]

Any updates here?

 

[OilStained]

Any updates here?

This is for April, I’m wondering if there’s a new thread for June. And if so, a link here to redirect.

 

[tired]

This is for April, I’m wondering if there’s a new thread for June. And if so, a link here to redirect.

Good point on the title. Maybe we could get a title change and keep it in one thread.

 

[Nuclear_42]

I’ve been meaning to write a May wrap up. But I’ve been super busy recently. But something I intend to work on here soon.

Any update?

 

[Foxtrot08]

Any update?

Working on it right now. Chevron and XOM have released some info. Just summarizing everything up, along with some other public information. But it’s my goal to have it done before the weekend.

 

[Pablo]

Thank you!

 

[Foxtrot08]

Draft is done. Should be published on the website soon.

It’s kinda long. So I’m working on a “single page” as well, for the TL;DR crowd.

As for this thread vs new thread, that’s up to the admin & mod team.

 

[wwillson]

It’s kinda long. So I’m working on a “single page” as well, for the TL;DR crowd.

The long version is fine. No need for more work on your part

 

[Pablo]

Draft is done. Should be published on the website soon.

It’s kinda long. So I’m working on a “single page” as well, for the TL;DR crowd.

Like 3-5 critical bullets

Then we can argue about the order of those points

 

[Foxtrot08]

The long version is fine. No need for more work on your part

Oh this is also for my customers. As… yeah.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Like 3-5 critical bullets

Then we can argue about the order of those points

I heard Amsoil hoovered up all the base stock in order to push prices higher, like the Hunt brothers and Silver.

/sarc/funny - in case I fooled anyone.

 

[wwillson]

I heard Amsoil hoovered up all the base stock in order to push prices higher

I heard the moon is made of blue cheese, then I read it on the internet.

Seriously though, there is a shortage of base stocks world wide. AMSOIL competes in the global marketplace and may have been willing to pay more than others, so they got more than others. I don't believe AMSOIL would have any desire to push prices higher on base stocks or finished products. Nor did they get all of the base stocks.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I heard the moon is made of blue cheese, then I read it on the internet.

Seriously though, there is a shortage of base stocks world wide. AMSOIL competes in the global marketplace and may have been willing to pay more than others, so they got more than others. I don't believe AMSOIL would have any desire to push prices higher on base stocks or finished products. Nor did they get all of the base stocks.

I missed the /sarc. I have added it.

But actually, I heard they were hiding it in some dude's basement near the Canadian border, and they were going to smuggle it out through a tunnel they were digging.