Apple - A Message to Our Customers

[BigD1]

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." Edward Snowden

Also, the woman should have never been let into the USA in the first place. They freaked up, and they admitted they messed up, and they let her in.

 

[bvance554]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Can't they take the thing apart, remove the memory chip then do a raw copy? I can't believe they're that stupid. Everything is crackable. Everything.

What a bunch of grandstanding bull.



Gosh... I wonder why no one thought of that.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: hatt
If there is a backdoor, there is no security. An easy concept to grasp.


Not if your angle is to stir up drama no matter what...

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
If Apple knows how to get into the phone, then the FBI should just let Apple do it behind their closed doors and glean the info off the phone ... and then give it to the FBI to look over. That would then be just special handling of this particular phone just for this case only.

The FBI doesn't need the code/tools to get into the phone on their own. Seems like the most logical way to handle it.

I think the FBI wants the tools to get into anyone's phone any time they want. That's the last thing Apple wants to do.


Even then - you've just set precedent. Then it starts to shift down to anyone's who is suspicious over anything can get their phone cracked to see what they texted or what they searched for on the net.

The special circumstance here is that the perp is dead. No other way to get in...

 

[spasm3]

The software to do this does not exist. Does government have the power to force a company to develop it, and to hand over that technology to the government?

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: hatt
If there is a backdoor, there is no security. An easy concept to grasp.


Not if your angle is to stir up drama no matter what...


But isn't hatt right? If there's a built in backdoor to break the encryption, what good is it? I'd think any decent hacker would be able to crack the key.

 

[BigD1]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
The software to do this does not exist. Does government have the power to force a company to develop it, and to hand over that technology to the government?


Maybe Obama will step up to the plate with another executive order that bypasses all of the legislative branches, and make it so.

 

[hatt]

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/07/08/why-encryption-back-doors-threaten-human-rights

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: hatt
If there is a backdoor, there is no security. An easy concept to grasp.


Not if your angle is to stir up drama no matter what...


But isn't hatt right? If there's a built in backdoor to break the encryption, what good is it? I'd think any decent hacker would be able to crack the key.


Agree. But some people (not hatt or you necessarily) will take the opposite angle just because they dont like the powers that be.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
If Apple knows how to get into the phone, then the FBI should just let Apple do it behind their closed doors and glean the info off the phone ... and then give it to the FBI to look over. That would then be just special handling of this particular phone just for this case only.

The FBI doesn't need the code/tools to get into the phone on their own. Seems like the most logical way to handle it.

I think the FBI wants the tools to get into anyone's phone any time they want. That's the last thing Apple wants to do.


Even then - you've just set precedent. Then it starts to shift down to anyone's who is suspicious over anything can get their phone cracked to see what they texted or what they searched for on the net.

The special circumstance here is that the perp is dead. No other way to get in...


Only way Apple would glean the info off the encrypted phone for the FBI would be from a high court order. Not some willy–nilly whim of the FBI. And it would be done behind closed doors under the complete control of Apple - the FBI would get absolutely zero code/tools to do it themselves.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Only way Apple would glean the info off the encrypted phone for the FBI would be from a high court order. Not some willy–nilly whim of the FBI. And it would be done behind closed doors under the complete control of Apple - the FBI would get absolutely zero code/tools to do it themselves.

Agree. Only with a Federal court order.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Only way Apple would glean the info off the encrypted phone for the FBI would be from a high court order. Not some willy–nilly whim of the FBI. And it would be done behind closed doors under the complete control of Apple - the FBI would get absolutely zero code/tools to do it themselves.

Agree. Only with a Federal court order.


So you say now. Once you start down the slope, do you really think it will be constrained?!?

 

[Y_K]

So, the 'story' is that they cannot break the 4-digit PIN. On top of the backdoor that's in every mass storage device with encryption or not. Don't delude yourselves. Lame smokescreen at best.

Here is another fairy tale from LA Times

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Only way Apple would glean the info off the encrypted phone for the FBI would be from a high court order. Not some willy–nilly whim of the FBI. And it would be done behind closed doors under the complete control of Apple - the FBI would get absolutely zero code/tools to do it themselves.

Agree. Only with a Federal court order.


So you say now. Once you start down the slope, do you really think it will be constrained?!?


I think the real issue here is Apple doesn't have access to the encrypted data and doesn't want to build in a work around that can be compromised by a third party.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Only way Apple would glean the info off the encrypted phone for the FBI would be from a high court order. Not some willy–nilly whim of the FBI. And it would be done behind closed doors under the complete control of Apple - the FBI would get absolutely zero code/tools to do it themselves.

Agree. Only with a Federal court order.

So you say now. Once you start down the slope, do you really think it will be constrained?!?

No company should comply with law enforcement demand, but they should comply court order. If an order from a Federal court has no meaning to a company(big or small) then what is the Federal court for ?

 

[SteveSRT8]

No need for any risks. Simply have Apple develop the allegedly needed software in house and use it on the one phone. Simple. Then give the data to the FBI.

No risk to poor lil Apple.

Personally it's a load of garbage IMO. They should WANT to help the FBI discover the wealth of info in this jerk's phone

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
No need for any risks. Simply have Apple develop the allegedly needed software in house and use it on the one phone. Simple. Then give the data to the FBI.

No risk to poor lil Apple.

Personally it's a load of garbage IMO. They should WANT to help the FBI discover the wealth of info in this jerk's phone


Well said Steve.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
No need for any risks. Simply have Apple develop the allegedly needed software in house and use it on the one phone. Simple. Then give the data to the FBI.

Isn't that begging for chain of custody issues? Also, once the phone is unlocked, the FBI could reverse-engineer the firmware.

Either way, this isn't really about this one phone. It's about the precedent. The idea that the FBI could force a company to make a broadly applicable security hack for its own devices is pretty chilling.

 

[BubbaFL]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
No need for any risks. Simply have Apple develop the allegedly needed software in house and use it on the one phone. Simple. Then give the data to the FBI.

No risk to poor lil Apple.

Personally it's a load of garbage IMO. They should WANT to help the FBI discover the wealth of info in this jerk's phone


That's what irritates me the most about this.

Apple is perfectly willing to throw dissidents under the bus (or tank) in communist China.

Do you think they'd put up the same fight if the perps were a couple white hillbillies from Alabama?

The only reason they're making a stink is because the users of the phone - not even owners, just users - were members of a class the left considers specially protected.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: BubbaFL
Funny that they choose to make their stand on civil liberties defending a pair of mass-murdering Muslim terrorists.

And also funny that they don't bother to mention that the phone in question is actually the property of the employer of one of said mass murdering Muslim terrorists, AND has consented to give the FBI access to all information contained in the device.


I think the issue is that they created an encrypted system that cannot be opened by any secondary or backdoor key. If the pin is unknown, there is no way in.

Apple is unwilling to create a backdoor that could be compromised any number of ways.


Exactly as it should be!