Anyone using Synlube?

[ekpolk]

Bruce:

I'm guessing that you don't have a kit on order?

Seriously, I have doubts about the stuff too, but I've looked over their site from time to time over the last five years or so. Although I'm intrigued, I just can't see paying that much for the supplies to run this experiment for myself.

I don't begrudge you your opinion at all. That said, I'd really like to see some hard, independent long-term data about how the product has performed in the hands of some American users who own and drive their cars every day. I will say this in synlube's favor -- despite having heard of the product repeatedly over the years, I have yet to hear of a meltdown or sludge case attributed to its use. He is still in business apparently, and it's not likely a result of people doing frequent changes with his oil, so my guess is that there is a nucleus, invisible as it may be, of happy customers out there somewhere.

Again, intriguing.

 

[bruce381]

I think that he sells so little of this that

#1 no one will ever hear good or bad about it
#2 I do not think anyone would pay to run this for 100K to get any data.
#3 PT barnium ? said a sucker is born ever minute I guess so.
#4 IMHO this is just a over built high sold PAO based PCMO and as such should still be changes out at 5-10K and at the price is $20 quart to high.
#5 Some people will still want to HOPE this is real It is not Buy it if you want but I know better.
#6 I'm done on this

Bruce

 

[ekpolk]

C'mon Bruce, easy there, let's all be cool. I'm merely asking questions and discussing; I'm far from actually pouring this stuff into my engine. Even if I did, it would be with periodic UOA to see how it holds up. I understand you don't like the stuff, and I further understand that you've got much more experience from which to speak than I do. Ironically, I almost hope it is NOT true, as I sorta like the car care ritual myself (if not overdone). I'm not trying to pour salt on sore spots, but why does this stuff irritate you like this? From your perspective with a history in the business, how would he stay on the market unless he has some base of customers? Again, I hear where you're coming from, and I'm not trying to change your mind. I guess I'm trying to sort out how this stuff continues to even exist.

 

[bruce381]

A base in the market???? it takes very little money to run a website that is all this guy has, show me his plant address not a "suite" in a office complex that doubles for his other bisiness since I doubt he sells enough to make a living on it.

How about his credentials etc. or any written publshed pappers he has presented at STLE, SAE, ILMA etc his education and exsperience in the field besides all the syco bable puesdo science he spouts out anyone with have a brain would run away from this.

Sorry for rant Flame away I'm done with this subject others that understand this is ** can fill in everone else that believes in the tooth fairy can continue to believe this if they want I warned you.

bruce

 

[Dad2leia]

Hey ekpolk, I think that Bruce is taking it easy. I've been on that particular thread for most of its pages, and the price has been even Mr. Boutique Oil's here biggest stumbling block to using it.

I've learned a great deal since starting to post on these pages, and although it sounds like a very solid product, I kind of have to agree with Bruce on the fact that nothing in a modern crankcase will last without some sort of replenishment or replacement. Just entirely too many outside variables and conditions that exist to destroy a lubricant's ability to do it's job forever.

Although agreeing with you on the whole car care ritual thing (I love to change oil, play with oil, sniff it, feel it in between my fingers....whoa, sorry, getting a little emotional there!), I do like the idea of maybe only having to do it fewer times in the course of the life of my engines, but I also enjoy the warm and fuzzy feeling I get knowing that I just gave my engine brand new oil with which to circulate...

 

[ekpolk]

Fer cryin' out loud guys, I'm not supporting or endorsing this product. I brought this thread back, because of that other thread about the 350Z nut who is insisting upon running regular syn permanently. That reminded me of good ole' Synlube. I searched and found this thread. I simply wanted to see if the guy who is (or was) trying the stuff is still with it, and if so, how it's going. No more, no less. Read between the lines a bit, I learned about Synlube maybe five-ish years ago, and ummmm, I'm still not using it. Thus, I'm a bit surprised at Bruce's responses, which seem to assume that I'm somehow endorsing Synlube. I'm not. Why would I need to be "warned" about a product that I've never used????

OK, separating out the emotion, Bruce believes the product is unworthy. Given his background in the formulation business, I'll give that opinion substantial weight and credit. Anyone out there have anything else to say about Synlube?

Here's one more tantalizing question (at least to me): if you have a guy like the 350Z fellow who insists (foolish as we know it to be) upon never again changing his oil, what oil would we recommend for him? Might it be this stuff, or perhaps some other well-formulated synthetic?

 

[Dad2leia]

I guess that I forgot to say it with Elfen love and magic...

Sorry ekpolk, wasn't saying that you were endorsing it, just stating my positiion and agreeing with you on some of yours, that's all.

I too, would like to hear if anyone is using this, has been using this, or will be using this stuff and give us the info and lowdown on it.

 

[ekpolk]

D2L:

I wasn't really reacting to you. I was just perplexed at the degree of angst reflected in Bruce's response. Sorta left me with that, "gee, what did I say???" feeling. I do respect what he has to say, so I hope he invites himself back to the table. The cheezy, unsavory members of my profession infuriate me beyond words, and perhaps since Bruce makes (or made, retired?) a living in the motor oil business, he feels the same way about the Synlube guy. Oh well, I just hope that the discussion produces some more info and not just a bunch of hard feelings.

 

[robbobster]

Interesting. Too controversial for me to try without hard data. But this is interesting.
In the post on the other webforum noted...

Page 2:
I am not an employee or a dealer for SynLube. I am a customer only. If you wanted to buy SynLube from me, I would refer you to the company.

Page 16:
In contrast, when faced with a customer like Bruce381, I simply remain silent as I gave up any hope of productive exchange with him almost from the beginning.

Does he work for SynLube or doesn't he? Or perhaps just a typo...

 

[Audi Junkie]

What you guys don't understand is that you have to WANT it to work!!! lol

 

[LarryL]

Hey Burce, what if it's true, that Synlube works. What if engines can run with some crud and chemicals and what if the filter is not that important? Maybe you can kill growing sludge with some injections of new additives, at least engough to keep going. The engine might last but be a total loss when it's time to do repairs. In the end, using Synlube looks like a big gamble. Once you get down the road a few miles, anything that goes wrong might just turn the engine into junk. This is just not in my maintenance plans. A new late model engine costs way too much.

 

[moving2]

robbobster said "Does he work for SynLube or doesn't he? Or perhaps just a typo..."

1. Synlube Address:
2961 Industrial Road #300
Las Vegas, NV 89109-1134

2. Budman's location: Nevada
Occupation: Writer (for synlube?)

From the sound of his posts, he sounds like way more than just an enthusiastic consumer.

 

[oilboy123]

What about the brake fluid they carry.
Is the top of the line stuff any better than Valvoline syn brake fluid?

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, I think ekpolk would like something more than just rhetorical discounting of this product ..even if the rhetoric is authorative and based on sound science/experience.

I don't think that the stuff will do as claimed ..at least not without side effects. That being said, we've seen nothing to show that it can't do as it claims ..merely assumed performance based on current experience/knowledge.

No one has done a bona fide debunking of this product.

 

[ekpolk]

Moving is right, Bud does seem pretty enthusiastic about the product. Could be more than just a happy customer. That said, if he were a hired mouthpiece, I'd have expected to hear more from him. Bruce, on the other hand, is a pretty strong "anti-Synlube" guy, although he's so emotional about it, I've wonder about his objectivity too.

What seems so strange about this product line, at least to me, is the deafening silence. Consider some of recent history's other "out there" products that make claims that seem too good to be true, usually there are at least small vocal groups advocating and condemning. Remember Laetril, the miracle cancer cure? Closer to home, how about Duralube and Slick-50. If Synlube is as ineffective as Slick-50, why, for example, hasn't the FTC gone after SL the way it did S-50?

Anyway, Gary is right, I was hoping for some harder info. The ideal response would have been to smoke out a couple happy or unhappy users who could report on X years of use and here's my happy engine's UOA, or perhaps, someone reporting that the stuff killed his engine after a certain time. I'll keep Googling around, and if I find worthy info, I'll pass it along.

 

[Dad2leia]

Good luck in that department ekpolk. I've tried and tried to find hard evidence, other than the opinions and facts (supposedly) on the web site itself, and for the few other forums that have this question asked: Have you used this product?

Price, outlandish claims mileage wise, and very complex warranty proceedures seem to be the big three against this product. I don't know, but it seems to me in our drive it for 3 to 4 years and get a new one society, I don't think that there will be enough of us willing to try it and see.

Although I'm one of the few and proud that run their vehicles to the junkyard so to speak. I might benefit, but like so many here and before me, I'm NOT willing to gamble my hand earned fundage on an eperiment that has a pretty good chance of costing me an engine...

 

[tester]

I have been using Synlube for about 30,000 miles now. I was not willing to risk an in-warranty vehicle, so I went to Synlube at 95,000 miles on a 98 Nissan Frontier. No problems yet. Only less than 1/2 quart of consumption so far. Engine seems to be running as good now as when I first installed the lube. The lube looks the same as when first installed (black as heck). The downside I see (other than an out and out engine failure) would be developing an oil leak. At the price it goes for it would not be economical to add make up oil very often. I plan to run this truck until it starts using or leaking and just see what happens.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, tester, do use a big favor and get a UOA done on it. Get the cheap one even. If we see anything on the far side of extreme (we tend to be highly ciritical of UOA ..but there's a big buffer between where most of us like to be ..and where there's an "at risk" situation) ..we'll figure that it's not a miracle elixer.

Have some charity for the needy

(visions of Oliver, "Please sir, I want some more.")

 

[rg144]

Tester,
I thought make up oil is free when you swapped in a new filter.

Personally I like cheap dino oil changes for the health of valve seals. I doubt it costs much more, and a lot can happen to a car in that amount of time.

 

[Dad2leia]

So tester, how does it smell and feel?!?