Anyone using Synlube?

[LarryL]

I know there has been another thread http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000155#000000
but that has been a while. Is there anyone out there that is using Synlube http://www.synlube.com/ ? Maybe someone has seen the oil or it could be on display somewhere. With all the oil geeks around here there must be some first hand experience somewhere. There must be someone that was willing to spend thirty plus dollars per quart for an oil that can go for years and years without changing.

 

[LarryL]

I guess there are so many replies this forum was flooded. No answer is an answer. This site appears to becomming kind of product specific and no one is using this product.

 

[oilpan49]

Nope not using it here. That music scares me

: AR

 

[Shannow]

I don't think that you'll find many people using that stuff.

The claims that they make seem a little over the top, and lots of people shy away from solid additives.

 

[mdocod]

the idea of an everlasting oil, that you "beef" back up with addatives to keep it going isn't new.. but the reality, is that, as an engine ages, and tolerances loosen up, more and more fuel and water will start getting into the water. Adding a quart here and there full of addatives won't remove the fuel, it will merely stabilize the acidity. Eventually, with todays base oil availabilities, even the best POA stocks will eventually shear down their viscosity, ZDDP goes a long way, but i'm sure there is a point where the base stock would be so weak, a pile of zddp wouldn't even keep it up to par.

Using a graphite oil would cause some inicial wear, but once it has been used, seems to me switching back to conventional oils could be very harmfull to the engine, as it cleans away the graphite and other solids, the gaps between parts would reimerge from the inicial wear. (I don't know this as fact, but it makes "sense" logically to me).. what if the graphite based oil is no longer available 5 years down the road- what if they go out of business. from the looks of their website, they aren't doing very well financially, else they would have a nicer layout.

 

[Alan]

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Originally posted by Airborne Ranger:
Nope not using it here. That music scares me

: AR

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What are you talking about

?That music is awesome

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His website is stuck in the 80's.

 

[MGBV8]

Elf version (Not German)

http://www.amway2u.com/mall_prodlst.jsp?cat1=6000&cat2=7129

 

[LarryL]

I wonder how much it would cost to buy a batch of the stuff, put it in someone's car and do a lot of driving with a uoa every 5k miles or so. I think a project like this is the only way to get any idea about how this or any oil works. How many people do you think could be brought together for projects like this. Something like this might scare the **** out of a product manufacturer.

 

[mdocod]

I'm sure it would hold up UOA wise as long as a good synthetic, after that... things would start looking fishy i bet. even after adding the doses of maintenence oil there would likally be a higher level of contamination going on in the oil. wonder how much zddp you can add to a base stock to keep the viscosity up before it just doen't behave like good oil anymore. At what point would it start to leave significant deposits....

I mean.. I'd be willing to bet you could do something similar with regular oil... you could take a good POA base 5W50 weight oil, and add a bottle of STP, and a bottle of Valvoline Synpower treatment, new filter, and maybe some ARX every 10k to keep the oil somewhat up to par and possibly extend the drain interval out to around 30k or more without any major side effects. There might be better addatives to consider but these are just what come to mind for me atm. Though- I wouldn't try this myself. hehe.

 

[LarryL]

If there was a way to finance it I would like to do evaluations like that and then after a lot of miles tear the engine down and look at what happened. There are not many other ways to really know what's going oni.

 

[CMT]

That dude's pretty wild (the rather eccentric company president has been on this site before). I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole- AMSOIL's claims are wild enough for me, but at least they have a quality, proven product once you cut through most dealer's BS.

 

[Budman]

I will step in here and play devils advocate even though I know how unproductive it is to come on an oil forum and admit it because forums such as this are more for the fanatics than the practical. But I have been using Synlube in one of my new vehicles for 11 months now and 7k miles and love it.

I was naturally very skeptical at first but got past alot of prejudices after much reading of his website and many collaborations through email. Alot of what he says just makes sense plus he is VERY knowledgeable, pioneering and respected in the industry (GM even apparently showed an interest in his oil way back). More importantly, even how small Synlube is, he never once seemed to infomercial it to me and has always maintained highest honesty which in turn gave me more confidence in trying Synlube. Even going as far as turning down another sure sale from me for my new leased car by honestly telling me it wasn't worth it.

I don't want to offend anyone, but to me it is silly how people come onto these boards and will debate to the cows come home which is better of two off-the-shelf dino's but can't objectively get themselves to see past their blinders that maybe SOME people outside of the big oil corps, whose best interest is in pushing 3k oil changes, can extend beyond what is currently available. It happens in every other industry why not motor oil. Or I laugh when I read posts of people mixing 5w-30 with a 20w-50 to get a 10w-40 for themselves of their favorite oil and thinking this is acceptable, but god forbid they put a unknown oil with claims of long intervals into their engine!

I also notice that some just don't understand how different Synlube is. Mixing a PAO with some STP and some Synpower is not even close to a fair comparison. Synlube is so unique with it's basestocks that current UOA's aren't able to be performed accurately on it (this has even been mentioned a while ago by Terry I beleive). Synlube has been able to get a GF-4 rating for years before the spec was announced and looks to even already be ahead of a GF-5.

The first thing I noticed with Synlube was it's color. I thought I had been sold USED motor oil when I first looked at it (of course just being sarcastic)! It is black from the get-go. Has a sweet smell to it as well.

After the switchover to Synlube, I noticed an immediate increase in my MPG's on the very next tank of gas. An increase of over 2.5 mpgs over ANY other past sample point had me really skeptical in that it must have just been an anomolly. But sure enough it has remained there SINCE.
The next surprise was even bigger for me. My wife drives the car daily since we bought it (it is hers really) and it had gone through two oil changes before synlube without a peep. The next day after changing the oil (she didn't know about Synlube and that I was going to it. Just thought it was a normal change), she had called me to tell me the car felt smoother to her and once even turned the key to start it at a stoplight (grinding it of course) as she thought it had stalled.

I am not here trying to convince the board to go and use Synlube. Only to not be SO quick to knock something that sounds impossible. Used to be that tune-ups were a 25k requirement and now are 100k+. I remember the skeptics back then insisting that they still will do theirs at 25k, etc (I was one). Now it seems we are at the same era with regards to oil. Even though UOA's prove that synthetics can extend change intervals. Synlube is the _full_ platinum spark plug compared to the platinum-tipped ones that first allowed to 50k tuneups...

Bud


PS - I am very close to doing my first filter change (they don't have a 'permanent' filter for my vehicle) and top up. I am thinking of sending a sample to him for his unique UOA just to see how the engine is holding up.

PSS - Email Synlube. He really is a nice guy and knows his stuff. Better yet, try it.

 

[LarryL]

Budman, thank you for responding. You could do something to clear the air about Synlube.... send a sample to Terry Dyson, and at some interval, repeat it. Then share the results. We would sure like to see what a uoa would show. We understand it might be different. I use Red Line and all I hear is Red Line produces wierd results. I think a lot of people would like to see what's under the hood.

 

[Shannow]

budman,
thanks for the post.

 

[Budman]

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Originally posted by Shannow:
budman,
thanks for the post.

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You're Welcome.


I want to add another thing is that consumption has been the lowest I have ever seen in my life for an oil. In the 7k miles my oil level on the dipstick has NOT moved. It has to have some consumption because all engines do, but it is so low as for me not to be able to tell by the naked eye.

How Synlube does in the long term remains to be seen. But with one year under the hood for me, I have noticed the little stuff enough that remind me just how unique it really is. For example,even though with routine oil changes in the infamous Toyota culprits still would produce sludge, not one case has happened with Toyota users using Synlube despite no oil changes. So I have confidence my engine will be fine long enough for the car to fall apart anyway.

Also, please don't think I am a trying to sell others on it. I am just reporting my individual experience with it so far. Of course I do hope others take the plunge to try it as I have because I do think others will be amazed as well and hopefully more post about it. It was VERY hard for me to get past the hurdle of putting Synlube into a brand NEW SUV under warranty (Plus I am a natural skeptic). But like I mentioned earlier, collaborations and some research helped ease the mental block and I am now glad I did. I know it looks funny for me to appear all of a sudden to make my first post in 3 years preaching Synlube. But I do lurk here all the time and this thread got my interest because, as Larry originally mentioned, Synlube hasn't been brought up in a long time.

If any of you are thinking of trying SynLube for your special girl and breaking from the routine oil changes that the industry has America locked into, at least shoot off an email to Synlube and get a feel. At the very least you might gain some insight can then just decide to move on if not for you. The topic of what oil to put into ones car really shouldn't keep us up at night...

 

[LarryL]

Budman,are you going to keep us up to date with some uoa's? Maybe you could get an extended uoa from Terry Dyson.

 

[ekpolk]

Budman:

You still out there? I'd be interesting in hearing how your Synlube experience is progressing. I was reminded of your post (thanks again, btw) when I saw a recent thread here about some 350Z guy who's been trying the lube-for-life thing with "standard" synthetic oil. My service guy at the Infinti dealer also reports that they have a couple customers doing the same thing. Anyway, if you'd care to update us, that would be great.

 

[LarryL]

I sure hope that Budman shows up, again. I'd really like to know how this Synlube works.

 

[bruce381]

From an other site this guy maybe the same as "budman" claims as lot of stuff here is his UOA.

"I have received the results of the testing by Staveley Fluids Analysis performed for SynLube.

In general, everything tested normal except for copper and silicon which had readings of 44 and 40 respectively. The report indicates that this is probably associated with normal engine break-in. As of this time, my engine seems to run just fine and my current 4-tank MPG average is 20.4 which is high for a 4.0L V-6 Ranger that's primarily driven in city/suburban light traffic conditions.

The oil has 15.3K on it. During this time only 4 oz. of oil was consumed and it was replaced by 4 oz. of Service Fill.

Here are the other readings:

iron: 79
chromium: 3
lead: 1
tin: 0
aluminum: 3
nickel: 5
silver: 0
boron: 18
sodium: 5
magnesium: 285
calcium: 2838
barium: 0
phosphorus: 712
zinc: 836
molybdenum: 539
titanium: 0
vanadium: 0
potassium: 0
fuel: vol
viscosity @ 40 C: 117.5
viscosity @ 100 C: 15.77
water: 0%/vol
soot/solids: 0.3
glycol: negative
TBN: 3.7
VI: 142


Look guys IC engines WILL ingest dirt and water and the oil is hit wil condensation, fuel, wear particles, gunk etc PCMO oil will not last forever because of the generally BAD filtration and acid formation do to heat no matter what this guy says, the oil with 3 solid lubes in a PAO base maybe a good lube BUT not at $30 Quart. Also can you say CC deposits due the the "teflon, Graphite and Moly" and whatever else is in here

Plus the wear rate is LOUSY.
And it may last out the 15K but so will RL.
bruce

 

[bruce381]

More Fairy Tale from same Guy:

It would be beneficial to read the SynLube Services pages, you will see that high FE readings are due to the sacrificial FE additives. It is a mistake to judge the readings obtained from a sample of SynLube based on those obtained by conventional lubricants. I will not have any problems this winter with SynLube, nor have I had any during the previous four winters that I have used it. The engine starts right up and idles smoothly. While winters in Georgia are not akin to those of the northern states, we do have our cold snaps and I've had no problems during these periods.

Finally, the oil tested was SynLube 5W50 that was installed at 782 miles replacing the factory fill 5W30. BTW, the 5W30 is not a break-in oil. It was the oil that Ford recommends for the life of the vehicle. Most cars don't come with break-in oils any more.

With regard to TBN, SynLube states that the TBN is not important for engines using unleaded gasoline. SynLube can supply an additive to increase the TBN for those who wish it.

What ???
If TBN is not important then why even offer or have a additive avalible?

Full 16 pages or so of this ** is here:

http://forums.noria.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/626103953


bruce