Patman
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I believe that it was in 2001 that Ford and Honda began putting 5w20 in some of their vehicles but I don’t think 0w20 started being a thing for a while after that.10w30. was 0w20 even a thing back in 2000?
I believe that it was in 2001 that Ford and Honda began putting 5w20 in some of their vehicles but I don’t think 0w20 started being a thing for a while after that.10w30. was 0w20 even a thing back in 2000?
Heater has zero effect on MPG….it is just hot water that didn’t go to the radiator….So far so good, MPG still seems to be about the same. We did get warmer weather this week and MPG is better due to not running the heater.
Any sense changing the oil more frequently than 5k?
if anything it would probably be slightly more efficient with heat running, but not significant enough to notice.Heater has zero effect on MPG….it is just hot water that didn’t go to the radiator….
You got better mileage because you didn’t have as cold of a start and as long of a “warm” up when the OAT is warmer.
Explain how the heater makes it “slightly ore efficient”. Does it effect the power train in any way whatsoever?if anything it would probably be slightly more efficient with heat running, but not significant enough to notice.
An inadequate tool for the job.are we still arguing? maybe people should just post a side by side UOA of 0w-20 and 5w-30 under similar driving conditions.
Heater pulls heat from the very efficient engine which already is known to take a long time to get to operating temp. This makes the warmup cycle longer even while gently driving, and also causes the idle stop start not to work since the engine has to stay running to keep the heater on. Both of those hurt fuel economy outside of the general guise of winter blend fuel, cold air density, and windier conditions of the season.Heater has zero effect on MPG….it is just hot water that didn’t go to the radiator….
You got better mileage because you didn’t have as cold of a start and as long of a “warm” up when the OAT is warmer.
Heater pulls heat from the very efficient engine which already is known to take a long time to get to operating temp. This makes the warmup cycle longer even while gently driving, and also causes the idle stop start not to work since the engine has to stay running to keep the heater on. Both of those hurt fuel economy outside of the general guise of winter blend fuel, cold air density, and windier conditions of the season.
Apparently people with these L15 turbo engines who monitored their water temps in the cold actually saw them dropping at idle to the point of the little water temp indicator bars dropping from 4 to 3, I don’t know what that is in actual temperatures though. I can tell you that when it gets to around freezing, even with the heater and stuff off at a light the car does not sit as long with the engine off before idle stop start kicks it on again, as compared to even when it’s in the 50s or 60s when I can literally sit at a light for minutes at a time without the engine off. One of the triggers for idle stop start disabling itself is if engine temperature falls below a certain threshold. I don’t think the car is going into warmup enrichment every time but it’s really amazing just how fast everything cools down in the coldyes, until the engine and vabin get up to temp, then there's very little difference anymore. but before that the difference is significant.
No it doesn’t feel more powerfulThe more I read these posts about the issues with the 1.5T in Hondas, the more I’m glad to have the 2.0 engine in my Civic. No problems with long warmup times, fuel dilution, having to do early oil changes. This engine just keeps plugging away reliably and getting incredibly good fuel efficiency and it really isn’t that much slower than the 1.5T either. I bet in normal part throttle driving it probably feels slightly more powerful too.
How do you know this? There are several ways that fuel dilution is detrimental, how are you determining an engine isn't being hurt?I'm another big fan of the 1.5T, from the standpoint of the driveability, and enjoyment of use. It's amazing to me how much low and mid range torque the engine puts out. I've thought of putting a "tune" on mine, but honestly, I'm happy with how much power it already has.
Regarding fuel dilution, it's true, but not enough to hurt the engine, in most use cases anyway. And we are all about oil here, and oil changes are FUN! Just change the oil at 5k, or 6 months (for short trippers). What's the problem?
How do you know this? There are several ways that fuel dilution is detrimental, how are you determining an engine isn't being hurt?
True that.So you contend that cheap and "generally favorable" spectrographic analyses prove that fuel isn't hurting the engine.
So you contend that cheap and "generally favorable" spectrographic analyses prove that fuel isn't hurting the engine.
How have you been? You were gone for a while, I thought maybe you left.Don’t waste your time on someone asking you to prove something doesn’t exist or doesn’t happen. Forum needs the ignore function to be a block one.