I have like eight or nine jugs of 0w30 Exxon Mobil One. car takes 4.4 quarts, in goes for and then I top off with redline oil. I feel much better with it than a zero w20
Any 0w30 users here?
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The fact it's not SN Plus or SP doesn't mean much, it's either not tested or certified as SN+/SP, MB229.52 cert takes care of LSPI.
Penn Plat Euro LX is made in Germany and is supposedly a rebottled Shell Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 oil that isn't widely available in NA and may simply have not been tested as SP oil.
Penn Plat Euro LX is made in Germany and is supposedly a rebottled Shell Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 oil that isn't widely available in NA and may simply have not been tested as SP oil.
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That's not what shell told me.
They said it does not meet lspi testing requirements and is not lspi mitigating.
Here it is again...
It literally says:
"... does not meet the LSPI test requirements as stated for the API SN Plus..."
It does NOT mean it doesn't meet LSPI requirements as stated for the MB229.52, which now includes similar testing.
"... does not meet the LSPI test requirements as stated for the API SN Plus..."
It does NOT mean it doesn't meet LSPI requirements as stated for the MB229.52, which now includes similar testing.
It states it does not meet lspi TEST REQUIREMENTS. It states IT IS NOT AN LSPI MITIGATING OIL.
I'm not sure how that could be confusing to anyone but do feel free to reach out to Shell yourself if you're not clear on what they said.
So is this PP Euro LX similar to M1 Euro ESP?
Both better than M1 AFE??
Both better than M1 AFE??
Yes.
M1 AFE is the only 0w30 oil besides Mopar max pro that meets the Alfa Romeo recommendations of API SP oil.
They are absolutely not better at lspi mitigation.
API SP - testing leading to LSPI addressing SP certification was done on Ford 2.0L GDI turbo engine only.
D1G2 - was done on GM 2.0L GDI turbo engine only.
Both certs are supposedly good for any engine between 1.5L to 3.5L.
MB 229.52 - iirc more than one engine was tested including gas and diesel engines.
You are welcome to provide proof MB 229.52 is inferior to API SP and/or D1G2.
D1G2 - was done on GM 2.0L GDI turbo engine only.
Both certs are supposedly good for any engine between 1.5L to 3.5L.
MB 229.52 - iirc more than one engine was tested including gas and diesel engines.
You are welcome to provide proof MB 229.52 is inferior to API SP and/or D1G2.
I go by the manufacturer of the oil states. They state it is not lspi mitigating.
It wouldn't be the first oil (m1 did) to erroneously leave a cert on. No idea. But Alfa Romeo wants API SN Plus or SP and there's one available that meets it for 25 bucks a 5 quart jug that has 1000 ca, m1 AFE which is an outstanding oil.
Pp 5w30 is API SP btw
Exactly. I'm aware 229.52 did not always include lspi testing. M1 left it on one of their sn formulations too for quite some time.
No idea about shell but their claim that it's not lspi mitigating while it also showing 2000ca and almost no mg and an owner's manual then specs sn Plus or sp would beg the question why not use the oil that is rated SP and has 1000ca and a 189vi and a perfectly good, available and inexpensive oil.
How did the M1 ESP do in this ATO24 0w30 testing?
https://www.ato24.de/pub/media/wysiwyg/ATO24_Oelanalysen_ACEA_C2_0W30.pdf
https://www.ato24.de/pub/media/wysiwyg/ATO24_Oelanalysen_ACEA_C2_0W30.pdf
been running vw's 0w30 in my 2017 4Runner for over 40k miles with 5k with excellent results as i had a large stash of it
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...w30-synthetic-5200-miles.360543/#post-6254663
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...w30-synthetic-5200-miles.360543/#post-6254663
VW 504/507 oils are basically 20k miles oils since the certification implies passing 650 engine hrs test. With average 30 mi/h speed it equates to 19.5k miles.
This seems true, when I go to walmart, Canadian tire, napa, lordco, etc they don't have the weird brands I see are available in other countries.
Motomaster and supertech brands don't even seem like a bad choice, they are a good oil.
I tried 0w-40 in both cars in Sig during summer, it's actually a bit too thick for the engines imho.
xW-30 oils worked best in both engines.
PP Euro LX meets the required Fiat 9.55535-GS1 that Alfa calls for. It’s perfectly suitable.
Don't feed the troll ...
Someone named "Roland" that works on the "Technical Helpdesk" answering random email inquiries wrote that Pennzoil Euro LX 0w30 doesn't mitigate LSPI. "SHELL" didn't tell you this.
Some of the certifications found on the container do cover LSPI, as others have pointed out.
I've run Euro LX 0w30 in two different Mini JCW engines, which are BMW B48 variants (228 HP version as well as a 300+ HP version) with no problems.
I trust the certifications on the container that include LSPI mitigation over Roland's email.
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