i live in Iowa and could care less, what goes on in LA.
That means you do care, at least a little.
Another Delete Shop Gets Nailed
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That means you do care, at least a little.
We've had our modern Diesel truck with all the current emissions systems intact, for almost 7 years now. No issues, emissions or otherwise.
Modern diesel emissions systems make diesels not worth the hassle unless you need them to tow heavy loads quite often. Even when under heavy load, these systems are not failure proof.
I understand the need for the systems, and the pressure for cleaner emissions on the manufacturers. Deleting them and polluting the air should be met with fines, especially if done as a business.
*However*
Many of these systems are in vehicles that already have high profit margins, and the manufacturers not the consumer should be on the hook for the extreme expense of repairing these systems at least for a reasonable life of the vehicle (150k miles or so). I know of a few modern (within the last 10 years) diesel trucks that were mechanically totaled due to emissions systems failures and the cost to repair being way more than the owner/business/municipality could afford and the vehicle was instead scrapped, which is not good for the environment either.
I mean my 2009 BMW sedan has a SULEV 15 year/150k mile warranty which covers all of the emissions related components (including components specific to the emissions version of the N52 engine, the N51) in all states participating in SULEV requirements.
I understand the need for the systems, and the pressure for cleaner emissions on the manufacturers. Deleting them and polluting the air should be met with fines, especially if done as a business.
*However*
Many of these systems are in vehicles that already have high profit margins, and the manufacturers not the consumer should be on the hook for the extreme expense of repairing these systems at least for a reasonable life of the vehicle (150k miles or so). I know of a few modern (within the last 10 years) diesel trucks that were mechanically totaled due to emissions systems failures and the cost to repair being way more than the owner/business/municipality could afford and the vehicle was instead scrapped, which is not good for the environment either.
I mean my 2009 BMW sedan has a SULEV 15 year/150k mile warranty which covers all of the emissions related components (including components specific to the emissions version of the N52 engine, the N51) in all states participating in SULEV requirements.
I know there are tons of these trucks out there without an issue, but from my own experience with them in my circle, it seems to be you either get one that is fine and the emission system does its thing, or the truck sees the inside of a shop more than it does the road, not really anything in between.
You don't have to be "rolling coal" in a diesel to be obnoxious, or should I say "noxious". Every time my wife and I go driving somewhere a diesel truck will be in front of us polluting the air badly. It does not bother me as much as my wife. She loses it and demands I immediately put the air on recycle mode. Of course by that time it's really too late as the entire cab is already filled with diesel fumes. But I comply any way to appease her. This happens over and over. 
But you are hurting someone, someone who has to breathe the air that you may be polluting, someone who has to put up with excessive noise from some modifications, someone who has to put up with glare from your headlights on lifted and modified vehicles, etc.
I agree that there may be degrees of obnoxiousness, but "it" could still be obnoxious.
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My friend is an owner/operator of a 3 year old Peterbilt truck, that he bought brand new.
Too many problems and always some dumb sensor wrong with it. Usually DEF related. He would like engines back from the "good ol" days. Every once in awhile, something with the system needs replaced. Parts are expensive, too. Add in the down time.
I used to be a diesel mechanic and things were simple back then. No computers needed. Simply fuel tank, lines, filters, injection pumps and injectors. Get them timed and all was well. The newer ones do start easier, though.
I'm not wanting to go back to the dinosaur age either, but...
Fuel injection beats carburetors either way. Can start up a car in the AM and let it warm up, without hearing it start chugging later.
I would never own a diesel anyway, so moot point for me. Just observations on my part of folks telling people what they can do with the stuff they own.
Too many problems and always some dumb sensor wrong with it. Usually DEF related. He would like engines back from the "good ol" days. Every once in awhile, something with the system needs replaced. Parts are expensive, too. Add in the down time.
I used to be a diesel mechanic and things were simple back then. No computers needed. Simply fuel tank, lines, filters, injection pumps and injectors. Get them timed and all was well. The newer ones do start easier, though.
I'm not wanting to go back to the dinosaur age either, but...
Fuel injection beats carburetors either way. Can start up a car in the AM and let it warm up, without hearing it start chugging later.
I would never own a diesel anyway, so moot point for me. Just observations on my part of folks telling people what they can do with the stuff they own.
I cannot wait until emission laws make this not a thing.
In an OTR truck where it's run on the highway all day with a pretty heavy foot, they do work.
But in delivery trucks, ambulances, school buses, tow trucks the emissions systems don't work. The local UPS fleet of straight trucks have all switched to gas. Every ambulance is either a gas Econoline, gas GM van or gas F450. The diesel medium duty ambulances have disappeared due to so many problem. School bus fleets are also going gas. I've had a few friends work at a local bus garage and the emissions systems were nothing but problems with school buses due to the stop/go nature. Even when the garage instructed the drivers to floor it whenever they can , they still couldn't keep emissions working and would often have to switch out buses on runs when they would go into limp mode.
Rolling coal is stupid. I just find it equally stupid that we've ruined something that could have been far superior. Instead, it's cheaper to get a gas engine that will wear out in 1/2 the time and spend twice as much in fuel.
Mechanical diesel is really where it was at.
It's already on the books here, but enforcement is nonexistent.
Yep. Enforcement is done at the state level and diesels can be exempt or the inspection is unable to detect a tune.
Clearly we see where SEMA sits on all this.
https://www.semasan.com/resources/vehicle-emissions-inspection-requirements-and-exemptions-state
No. It’s pretty clear the Biden era EPA’s intent is/was to stop modification of all EPA certified vehicles even if used off-road only, no emissions controlled car could be turned into a race car. I’m sure the thought is it’s easy to install off-road devices on registered vehicles. Most “off-road use only” marked parts are used on registered cars. Meanwhile I’m pretty sure boats and airplanes get overlooked without harassment.
What annoys me most about diesels, is the idiots that drive them. Always leave those things rattling outside the gas station, while they are inside getting coffee and donuts. Must be a "I have a diesel thing"
Truck is already warm, so it will start again. Trying to save the starter from wear or what?
Truck is already warm, so it will start again. Trying to save the starter from wear or what?
I like lawless frontiers. I am a rebel and I will never ever be any good.
Because it pollutes the air the rest of us breath........
You got your answer you knew was coming.....
Any vehicle sold today can be converted to "off road use" but not too many people can afford that so they cry about it.
Hobbyist/Enthusiasts getting all worked up over the loss of track time and bragging rights over the prospect of having to revert their daily driver to stock. The horror.
Not to mention the threat to the cottage industry which has made millions selling emissions delete hardware/software with a wink and a nod.
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Well then, lets see what you own that I can tell you what you can do or not do with it. Do you own small two stroke or even 4 stroke engine lawn equipment? Let's ban those. Do you own any vehicle larger than a 4 cylinder? Let's ban that. Do you own power sport equipment, maybe a boat with a motor? Nuts to that, learn to row. How about your homes thermostat? No warmer than 62, no colder than 79. Maybe salt on your sidewalk so nobody slips in winter, too bad, pollutes the waterways. You see where I am going with this? I don't even own a diesel and think the rolling coal people are nuts, but I'm not going to get this holier than thou opinion.
I own a Duramax and you couldn't get me to remove the aftertreatment system. My history is growing up on a farm breathing lots and lots of diesel smoke (soot) from completely unrestricted emissions diesels. I hope I don't end up with lung cancer. Do some reading about how bad soot is for your lungs and the people following you on the road or breathing it in stagnant air. I hate following a vehicle with no or deleted after treatment systems. I don't want to breath their soot.
I wonder how long it will take before direct injected cars have particulate filters? They product a LOT more soot than my Duramax.
I wonder how long it will take before direct injected cars have particulate filters? They product a LOT more soot than my Duramax.
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It’s a reference to Jerry Lewis’ Muscular Distrophy Telethon, they called the young patients “Jerry’s Kids”. Not accurate because the kids were not mentally challenged, just physically.Can you explain what is a Jerry kid? My uncle used to say it when I was growing up but never told me the meaning
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